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Cars? Never in a month of Sundays. That ship has long sailed.
I know the one carrying evs nearly sunk and was still burning weeks later, and if you see the video of a Merc still burning away after being dipped in a skip full of water, not the sort of motor I would want, but whatever, most everyone appears to want one and they are welcome
and I like evs, some really good looking evs out there, only a pity we can`t sort the batteries out, thats why I prefer Hydrogen and expect in years to come sales and filling stations to become the norm. far too much involved with battery tech and too heavy
but at least the Hydrogen tech is being used and can only improve imo....
Looking forward to the future, its going to be extremely interesting!
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To address the fire issue, studies by the NTSB in the US, and the equivalent in Sweden, show that for every 100 ICE fires, there are 5 EV fires. So one in twenty.
If you’re looking at the recent ship fire off Holland, once it was boarded all the EV’s were undamaged on a lower deck. The challenge was getting them out because the inferno of burning ICE’s up above had mangled the decks.
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‘ Looking forward to the future, it’s going to be extremely interesting!’
And agreed, fascinating - and potentially contentious - times ahead.
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To address the fire issue, studies by the NTSB in the US, and the equivalent in Sweden, show that for every 100 ICE fires, there are 5 EV fires. So one in twenty. If you’re looking at the recent ship fire off Holland, once it was boarded all the EV’s were undamaged on a lower deck. The challenge was getting them out because the inferno of burning ICE’s up above had mangled the decks.
I heard different, the EVs that didn`t burn were shown as Porsche`s/Mercedes and others that suffered thermal runaway, and burnt to a cinder and welded themselves to the deck, one Merc I watched being shifted was electric and had to be forklifted into a container full of water as it was still burning, yet so far all EV owners said they did not believe an EV could be that bad
But yes they can, so can electric bikes and E scooters and they are smaller, so you can believe the stats if you like, doesn`t mean they are true
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To address the fire issue, studies by the NTSB in the US, and the equivalent in Sweden, show that for every 100 ICE fires, there are 5 EV fires. So one in twenty.
At the risk of being bleedin obvious, IF that figure is as-stated (though I would doubt that these organisations would make such an unqualified statement) then it suggests EV's are probably more inflammable than your standard issue napalm-fuelled vehicle, since there are probably more than 20X the number of napalm carriers, and an even higher proportion of napalm fuelled miles.
There were over a 100X more (0.7 percent electric) napalm (and diesel) powered light vehicles in 2020.
electrek.co/2021/10/26/electric-vehicles-projected.../
From a quick look, couldn't find proportion of mileage, but it'll likely be smaller.
IF those studies in fact expressed the comparison on a meaningful basis, as one would hope, it doesn't address the differential in consequences, Electric vehicle fires do seem to be more troublesome, though admittedly being used to napalm is probably a factor.
Edited by edlithgow on 23/09/2023 at 23:45
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Quickie PPT on electric vehicle fires. Looks like a rather early case-based study
wiki.unece.org/download/attachments/60358932/EVS16...2
No statistics addressing the above Sparky/Napalm comparison, but some interesting speculative comments on apparent comparative safety between electrics.
Seems Leaf good, Tesla bad
They dont seem to like that there isn't a standardised circuit breaking handle, (probably with a cool red ejector seat stylee warning triangle around it) so perhaps that'll be a future feature, at least until the street urchins figure out how to trigger it.
They dont specifically say so, but it seems some kind of skooshing chute to help them get water on /in the battery would be useful, as is done for large marine battery banks
Edited by edlithgow on 24/09/2023 at 00:32
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but it seems some kind of skooshing chute to help them get water on /in the battery would be useful, as is done for large marine battery banks
It seems once the EV battery goes into thermal runaway, water, no matter the volume will put one out, in most cases of EV fires that do are left to burn out, though they take everything that is around them with them (reason why they use containers full of water to cool/slow the fire down)
main battery cut off switch iirc on a tesla is an explosive on the battery terminals, when a serious problem registers on the computers, the explosive breaks the circuit which has to be replaced if and when it happens, this has been shown and tried on YT
seeing comments around the net it seems EV fires are increasing even though the safety is meant to be increased, though I think thermal runaway is the most deadly without the smoke that occurs when they do burn.
personally I like the look of the Ioniq 5 but with the risk of batteries I wont be getting one, unless they make a Hydrogen one which is possible as they are doing research into them
Edited by Bolt on 24/09/2023 at 10:27
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‘seeing comments around the net it seems EV fires are increasing even though the safety is meant to be increased, ’
Apart from seeing comments from the net, is there any reputable data to back up the statement?
The International Union of Marine Insurance are stating that EV fires are no frequent than ICE vehicles.
www.motorship.com/regulation/marine-insurers-issue...e
Yes, they’re more difficult to fight if they do go up, but statistically much less likely to.
But there are mitigations in place - Renault Megane E-Tech, for example, has a flood port on top of the battery through which extinguishant can be pumped. Renault are stating a battery fire knocked down in five minutes as opposed to two to three hours.
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seeing comments around the net it seems EV fires are increasing even though the safety is meant to be increased, though I think thermal runaway is the most deadly without the smoke that occurs when they do burn.
If there are more about there will be more fires. You want to know if it's increasing say per 1,000 vehicle or not.
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EV fire incidents seem to be increasing, but to determine the rate per 1,000 vehicles, specific data analysis is needed.
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EV fire incidents seem to be increasing, but to determine the rate per 1,000 vehicles, specific data analysis is needed.
I dunno what the point of this these posts are. but they react oddly with the site quoting function.
Takes a robot to know one, perhaps
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EV fire incidents seem to be increasing, but to determine the rate per 1,000 vehicles, specific data analysis is needI dunno what the point of this these posts are. but they react oddly with the site quoting function.
Takes a robot to know one, perhaps
We are currently deluged/submerged by robot registrations for the forum. There are too many for us to cope with anymore It is overwhelming.
As fast as we disable accounts more appear.
Expect a DNA attack soon?
ORB as a poster and ORB as a MOD>
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EV fire incidents seem to be increasing, but to determine the rate per 1,000 vehicles, specific data analysis is needI dunno what the point of this these posts are. but they react oddly with the site quoting function.
Takes a robot to know one, perhaps
We are currently deluged/submerged by robot registrations for the forum. There are too many for us to cope with anymore It is overwhelming.
As fast as we disable accounts more appear.
Expect a DNA attack soon?
ORB as a poster and ORB as a MOD>
Just one facet of those "interesting times" people enthuse about above.
I suppose not quite as "interesting" as the stuff my parents generation grew up with, (getting strafed in the back garden and such,) but still pretty bad, likely to get very much worse, and considerably less inspiring,
I dont get the motivation for this particular facet though. Surely not just a tech demo? What do they gain?
Edited by edlithgow on 26/09/2023 at 01:33
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