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Cinch - another return? - maz64

Not sure whether I've mentioned it previously but I bought a VW Up! through Cinch over a year ago, but returned it - hadn't realised the steering wheel wasn't telescopic, which meant I couldn't get comfortable due to my knee problem. Not Cinch's fault, and the return was surprisingly easy. (Bought the Mazda2 from Cazoo instead.)

Well I think I'm going to have to do it again, but this time I think it is their fault. I've bought a Fiesta, 2021 reg although 28k miles, and not cheap. But there were no imperfections shown on the Cinch car details web page, which I thought justified the price at least to some extent.

It was delivered this morning, and immediately I spotted an obvious chip on the bonnet. Not unexpected in a 28k car, but unexpected by me because it wasn't listed as an imperfection by Cinch.

And as I walked around the car, I found more; I've put some photos on google drive:

drive.google.com/drive/folders/1PQYxyp7cLVD4KEs6DX...k

And see the Cinch website www.cinch.co.uk/car-inspection specifically:

Total transparency

Any imperfections we can see, that fall outside of our standard, are highlighted on the car’s detail page.

You can see any imperfections by clicking ‘Imperfections’ on the advert or clicking the imperfection circle on any of the full-car images.

So regardless of whether any of those imperfections should have been fixed (and I think some of them should), they should at least have been listed as imperfections on the car details webpage.

I've emailed Cinch about this, although I suspect my only options at the end of the day will be take it or leave it.

Annoying.

Cinch - another return? - De Sisti

I've emailed Cinch about this, although I suspect my only options at the end of the day will be take it or leave it.

Annoying.

Leave it. There are plenty of other cars available. It would be interesting to know why you gave up on the Mazda 2.

Cinch - another return? - Adampr

I don't know what Cinch's standard is, but they'll probably say those marks don't fall outside it. Still. They'll take it back if you don't want it. Personally, those marks wouldn't bother me at all, but I appreciate we all have different standards.

Cinch - another return? - paul 1963

I don't know what Cinch's standard is, but they'll probably say those marks don't fall outside it. Still. They'll take it back if you don't want it. Personally, those marks wouldn't bother me at all, but I appreciate we all have different standards.

Those marks would bother me tbh, take it back, most of those would ( should have?)been easily machined out..

Cinch - another return? - Andrew-T

<< Those marks would bother me tbh, take it back, most of those would (should?) have been easily machined out..>>

As a matter of passing interest, when a Cinch (or any other web-order) car is returned in this way, will the vehicle have gained another keeper on the V5 ?

Cinch - another return? - RT

<< Those marks would bother me tbh, take it back, most of those would (should?) have been easily machined out..>>

As a matter of passing interest, when a Cinch (or any other web-order) car is returned in this way, will the vehicle have gained another keeper on the V5 ?

Of course, can't be avoided.

Cinch - another return? - maz64

they'll probably say those marks don't fall outside it

But if they fall inside it, they should have been fixed - that's what the standard is about. Visible imperfections should either be fixed (inside the standard) or listed in the car details (outside).

For me it's about not getting what you've paid for - I'm happy to accept imperfections I know about (like on the Mazda). But when you're expecting a pretty much pristine car, then you spot >10 scratches and sc***es without looking too hard, I'm not happy. It's definitely not the "total transparency" Cinch claim on their website.

(The dodgy word is s c r a p e s.)

Edited by maz64 on 30/08/2023 at 08:43

Cinch - another return? - maz64

It would be interesting to know why you gave up on the Mazda 2.

Just sold my flat so had some money - basically 2 years of mortgage payments that I was getting back as a lump sum. The Mazda was 2015 with 50k miles so starting to get on a bit, although still in pretty good nick and running well. Oh - and I like buying cars :)

And although the Mazda is nice to drive, it's not very refined, gutless, and quite bouncy with a firm ride. Which means it's not great for my wife as a passenger, and she doesn't like the fact that the seatbelt goes across her throat. (She loves our main car, an Arona 1.5 150ps FR.)

The Fiesta is a 2021 Vignale with the 125 MHEV engine, so about the same 0.62 (9.4) but you shouldn't have to rev its nuts off to make progress. It's more refined, better ride, and has more toys eg. reversing camera, B&O sound and Android Auto.

I've only done a quick 3 mile drive in it. And to be honest it didn't feel as nippy as I was expecting, although it was definitely more refined. Gearchange wasn't as tight as the Mazda's.

So even if they do offer to fix the imperfections, I've gone off it - I just don't feel like I want it like I did before it arrived. Might be easier just to return it, although I then have a big problem of deciding what to replace it with...

Cinch - another return? - maz64

Might be easier just to return it

It's being picked up on Friday. Following up on the complaint though - not after anything in particular, apart from an apology.

Cinch - another return? - maz64

Just had a long chat with a nice chap from Cinch, who was following up on my 2* review on TrustPilot. Was very apologetic, and has offered £250 off my next Cinch purchase, which is worth having if I have another go. Also offered to reimburse the insurance company admin fee for changing vehicles. So complaint resolved.

Won't be using Cinch this time though - have already put down a deposit on a 2016 MINI Cooper 3dr auto at the local dealership, collecting it on Friday. Wasn't looking for an auto - in fact I'd been ticking the 'manual' box in all my searches. But we just spotted it after an underwhelming drive in an A1 (30 Sport), my wife thought it looked 'cute', and it turned out to be really nice to drive. The auto is allegedly marginally quicker than the manual - 7.8 vs. 7.9 for the 0-62, although it is a bit thirstier as well (perhaps lower geared?).

Basic spec though - only the thin textual display, no parking sensors or LED headlights, although it does have climate, and go-faster stripes :) Really looking forward to picking it up.

Cinch - another return? - elekie&a/c doctor
Have you driven this mini ? I sold mine because it sits very low and had a hard ride . Handles like a go kart, though .
Cinch - another return? - maz64

Yes - as I mentioned above, it seemed very nice. A lot nippier than the A1 we'd just been in. It only has 16" wheels - we'd earlier tried a manual with 17"-ers, and that definitely felt unsettled (pity because it was a couple of years younger and had >£4k of fitted extras). Driving position didn't seem much different to the Mazda2, so yes, as I hit 60 in a year-and-a-bit I'll probably regret it :)

Cinch - another return? - alan1302

Just had a long chat with a nice chap from Cinch, who was following up on my 2* review on TrustPilot. Was very apologetic, and has offered £250 off my next Cinch purchase, which is worth having if I have another go. Also offered to reimburse the insurance company admin fee for changing vehicles. So complaint resolved.

Won't be using Cinch this time though - have already put down a deposit on a 2016 MINI Cooper 3dr auto at the local dealership, collecting it on Friday. Wasn't looking for an auto - in fact I'd been ticking the 'manual' box in all my searches. But we just spotted it after an underwhelming drive in an A1 (30 Sport), my wife thought it looked 'cute', and it turned out to be really nice to drive. The auto is allegedly marginally quicker than the manual - 7.8 vs. 7.9 for the 0-62, although it is a bit thirstier as well (perhaps lower geared?).

Basic spec though - only the thin textual display, no parking sensors or LED headlights, although it does have climate, and go-faster stripes :) Really looking forward to picking it up.

This is why I find reviews to be of no use - they made a mistake, but have taken the car away, reimbursed your fees and offered £250 if you used them again - so in my mind that's a good thing as they have corrected it all for you.

Cinch - another return? - maz64

This is why I find reviews to be of no use

Agree up to a point, but he wouldn't have contacted me if I hadn't left the review. I had sent an email to their complaints dept, but apparently that wasn't going to be addressed because I had returned the car (he told me after spending some time looking for it).

And even with the corrections, it's still been a PITA that I wouldn't like to have to go through again. Others can read the review and make their own minds up.

Edited by maz64 on 06/09/2023 at 14:27

Cinch - another return? - FoxyJukebox
An excellent example of why it’s always a good idea to view first before buying. Buying on line/click collect for a car is not a good idea
Cinch - another return? - maz64

Disagree with the 'always'. In the flesh is definitely a good option for some, but a lot of people have had good experiences buying online, myself included. Horses for courses.

Cinch - another return? - Steveieb

Can those who have used on line outlets such as Cinch please detail the procedure and checks in place for.

a) Inspection of the car being traded in

b) inspection of the car being bought.

Procedure for reporting problems with the new car and whether your old car is returned to you if you decide to reject the new car.

Cinch - another return? - Ex Alfa mail

I'm going off on a tangent I know, but what happens on the V5 if a car is returned? Does it get registered as having an additional owner even if it was handed back within a month? If so that could reduce the value of the car for the vendor. So the cost of a return is much more than the transport, administration, etc. Hence the incentive to minimise returns must be huge.

Cinch - another return? - maz64

Hence the incentive to minimise returns must be huge.

That's what I've assumed, and used to partly justify taking this option. But the Fiesta experience has shown that mistakes do happen. (And I do think it was a mistake - perhaps someone forgot to attach the imperfections list to the car details webpage - rather than a case of 'let's hope he doesn't spot these'.)

Cinch - another return? - maz64

a) Inspection of the car being traded in

The chap who delivered the Fiesta and collected my Mazda2 spent a while - 10 or 20 minutes? - looking around the car, driving it off the drive to the side of the road, and checking 'stuff'. To be honest I just left him to it - didn't pay too much attention to what he was doing. I'd classed it as what I felt was a conservative 'Pretty good overall', so wasn't worried. But I think they do more checks when it gets back to wherever they take them.

I know Cazoo want more detail about part-exchanges - you have to list scratches/dents/etc., which might mean you get a better price if there aren't any, but is a pain if there are.

b) inspection of the car being bought.

That's up to you. When I went over to the Fiesta and spotted the obvious (unexpected) bonnet chip, I pointed it out to the delivery chap. He just said something about wear and tear, and pointed out that you can return it for any reason if you aren't happy. You can drive it around a bit, with a limit of 250 miles (I think) before they won't take it back. They list the various other conditions on their website - best not to crash it - which don't sound unreasonable.

Procedure for reporting problems with the new car

That can be a bit of a pain - their phone lines tend to be busy, so you will probably have to be on hold for a while. They do have online chats as well, which can be quicker, but response times depend on how many other people the agent is handling at the same time.

There is email as well - I used that for a few initial problems I had with the Mazda from Cazoo, and from what I remember the response time wasn't too bad. Cazoo do have 'dealerships', where you collect your car from if you don't want to pay their delivery fee, and take it for servicing. Not sure whether you can go there to complain in person.

and whether your old car is returned to you if you decide to reject the new car.

Nope.

Cinch - another return? - maz64

Thought I'd give them another go...

I've now had my 2017 BMW 220i Coupe Sport auto for >14 days, which means the Cinch no-quibble return window has closed. Seems really nice. And they're refunding me £250 as promised because of last year's Fiesta fiasco described above.

I might even keep this one for more than a year :)

I would have been happy to go to a dealer, but I'd decided on the Sport trim rather than M Sport for the smaller wheels/comfier ride, and there weren't/aren't that many around with that engine/trim combination in my price range. Mine is one previous owner with 31k miles.