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EV battery manufacturing. - sammy1

It looks as though the UK is going to end up with 3 plants Nissan Sunderland another on Teesside Freeport and the latest at Bridgewater. Here is a brief explanation of what goes into a battery from an Australian non political press.

Australian National Review - You Dig Up 500,000 Pounds of the Earth’s Crust for One EV Auto Battery!

AS regards the UK plants we are going to have to import most of the raw materials to make these batteries from places as far afield as Australia and South America presumably by ship and road or rail to the plant. The article pictures the scale of the mining and the carbon intensity of doing so. It also breaks down the amount of mineral content just to make one battery of average size. Presumably after bringing all the raw material halfway round the world and the carbon to do this the processing the plants are going to be left with vast quantities of spoil to get rid of perhaps or I very much doubt practical send it back to refill the vast hole it come out of!

In only a short article it then outlines the production and content of what is going into your typical solar and wind farm and just how carbon intensive this is also. It does not mention the infrastructure to make the EV car or the charging network which is also high carbon emitting

In short you get out for nowt , going green is extremely carbon producing and polluting in itself and you can begin to understand why a EV battery costs what it does. This I hope is a short practical view of battery ingredients and not knocking the new tech.

Ps As regards the supply of the lithium, articles frequently refer to extracting it from sea water brine as well as ore. Does anyone know if in fact this is happening and where?

EV battery manufacturing. - Adampr

For the love of god, please stop.

That's not an article from the non-political press, it's a reproduction of a Facebook post by an ultra-conservative website.

We get it. You don't like EVs or anything progressive. That's fine, but you don't have to keep repeating it.

EV battery manufacturing. - FP

"That's not an article from the non-political press, it's a reproduction of a Facebook post by an ultra-conservative website."

I thought I had better wait for someone else to respond first. A few points in addition to Adam's:

The Australian National Review is a bit worse than "ultra-conservative". The website Media Bias/Fact Check (see mediabiasfactcheck.com/australian-national-review/) shows its credibility rating is low, and the whole outfit is summed up thus: "promotes pseudoscience, such as anti-vaccination... propaganda... they also publish conspiracy theories... they source from other conspiracy and pseudoscience websites... In general, this is a strongly rated conspiracy and pseudoscience website that is low for factual information."

EV battery manufacturing. - sammy1

"That's not an article from the non-political press, it's a reproduction of a Facebook post by an ultra-conservative website."

I thought I had better wait for someone else to respond first. A few points in addition to Adam's:

The Australian National Review is a bit worse than "ultra-conservative". The website Media Bias/Fact Check (see mediabiasfactcheck.com/australian-national-review/) shows its credibility rating is low, and the whole outfit is summed up thus: "promotes pseudoscience, such as anti-vaccination... propaganda... they also publish conspiracy theories... they source from other conspiracy and pseudoscience websites... In general, this is a strongly rated conspiracy and pseudoscience website that is low for factual information."

Well thank you for the information. I did not give the origin a second thought, I am a bit like that believing the best in people and certainly not the politics Save for that just what is not factual about the article. So far two knocking the article but nothing about the believable content of

EV battery manufacturing. - sammy1

For the love of god, please stop.

That's not an article from the non-political press, it's a reproduction of a Facebook post by an ultra-conservative website.

We get it. You don't like EVs or anything progressive. That's fine, but you don't have to keep repeating it.

Oh How do you expect me to know every fact that I read is from somewhere other than it is supposed to originate. The article makes perfect sense to me in any case. So almighty one just what is not factual or untrue and what's has got you so apoplectic on this Sunday afternoon.

Yet another personal attack om me on a perfectly innocent post. I suppose you know all there is to know about battery making and the harm being done to the planet in the process. May be others would be interested not for you to say

EV battery manufacturing. - Andrew-T

<< How do you expect me to know every fact that I read is from somewhere other than it is supposed to originate. The article makes perfect sense to me in any case. So almighty one just what is not factual or untrue and what's has got you so apoplectic on this Sunday afternoon. Yet another personal attack om me on a perfectly innocent post. >>

I can't speak for the others, Sammy, but I for one don't 'expect you to know every fact' - just as we don't. But I would expect you to be more scientifically critical of what you read.

As a matter of fact, I also think that hoping to equip a whole fleet of new vehicles with enormous batteries which consist largely of rarish elements calling for large-scale mining on the other side of the world, may be rather more expensive and globally damaging than some people imagine. Especially allowing for the Chinese having got both feet in the door well ahead of other nations.

It's very little to do with liking or disliking EVs, which have certain desirable (especially politically) features. Their main purpose is to reduce urban air pollution, not to save energy as such.

EV battery manufacturing. - Wee Willie Winkie

I don't suppose it's expecting you to know every fact you read is from somewhere other than it is supposed to. More expecting you to not take everything you read as gospel, as most Daily Mail or Express readers seem to. Even the headline of 500,000 pounds per battery seems outlandish. Imagine that multiplied by the number of EV batteries produced. Doesn't pass my "does that seem ludicrous" check...

Edited by DieselBoy on 13/08/2023 at 17:24

EV battery manufacturing. - FP

"Yet another personal attack om me on a perfectly innocent post."

There has been NO PERSONAL ATTACK on you. People are criticising the credentials of your source. (Actually, this is something you could easily have investigated yourself.)

You may have a point about environmental issues concerning battery manufacture, but you need to look elsewhere for back-up. It is very dangerous to take everything you read on the internet at face value.

EV battery manufacturing. - Xileno

It doesn't take long on the web to see this article is of questionable accuracy.

The anti-EV theme running through the Backroom is getting a bit tedious. People are entitled to express their opinions and this is actively encouraged but it should not be at a level which the Moderators consider will deter the general readership from visiting the Backroom or generally cause aggravation.

We have reason to believe we may be losing members and some are contributing less. We have therefore decided to close this thread.

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