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Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Rudlin

Hello,

It'll 10 years this January since I've been driving my Ford Fiesta 1.25 MK7. I'm saving up money now, hoping to find a suitable replacement that would last me for another period of 10 years. My max budget is maximum £10k (taking into account Fiesta P/X), and I would look to drive around 7k miles/annum.

What I'm after is a reliable, conformable and an economic car - that is also fun to drive. It seems to me like the best options on the market are:

1. Audi A4 2.0TDI (2014-2016).

2. BMW 3 2.0d (2014-2016).

I'm amazed by the low running costs and road tax for these cars. Along with decent reliability on WhatCar?

Can you please advice me if I'm correct with my assertions, or perhaps there are other models you would recommend?

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Adampr

Those are both fast and comfortable cars. The Audi will certainly not be fun to drive and neither will have low running costs.

You don't do enough miles to justify a diesel or run it reliably.

Unless you need the space and do long trips, look for something with less image. For reliability, efficiency and fun, I'd look at Honda, Mazda, Ford and Seat.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Rudlin

Space would certainly would be a big plus. One of the reasons I'm looking for to replace Fiesta is a lack of boot space.

I'm somewhat reluctant to look for another Ford. Not big fan of available Seat options. Hondas seem to be rather expensive. Would Toyota Auris hybrid be a good long-term option?

Audi or BMW petrol would sound like a reasonable option only if fuel consumption is sensible, would you be able to tell me how trustworthy are the running cost metrics for 1.5L BMW, and 1.4 Audi TFSI engines? For town, A-road driving with efficiency in mind.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Adampr

Space would certainly would be a big plus. One of the reasons I'm looking for to replace Fiesta is a lack of boot space.

I'm somewhat reluctant to look for another Ford. Not big fan of available Seat options. Hondas seem to be rather expensive. Would Toyota Auris hybrid be a good long-term option?

Audi or BMW petrol would sound like a reasonable option only if fuel consumption is sensible, would you be able to tell me how trustworthy are the running cost metrics for 1.5L BMW, and 1.4 Audi TFSI engines? For town, A-road driving with efficiency in mind.

An Auris would be excellent for reliability and efficiency but precisely zero fun.

Bear in mind that running costs means more than fuel and tax. The cost to maintain a diesel is a lot more than a petrol and, if you only do a few thousand miles in short journeys, you'll be looking at DPF replacements. All service and parts costs for the premium German brands will also be higher than average.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - barney100

After many years of driving diesels I haven’t found them any more expensive to run than petrol.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Big John

and 1.4 Audi TFSI engines? For town, A-road driving with efficiency in mind.

The 1.4tfsi engine fitted to the Audi A4 is a great engine and very reliable especially in manual form, A friend of mine had two of these in a row and frequently achieved 50+ mpg on a run. Your car tax costs will be slightly higher for the petrol (until 2017 models when it all changes) but with your mileage I'd avoid the diesel as other costs would rather eclipse this many fold. In addition if you buy diesels beware Clean Air Zones eg ULEZ, as they have to be euro 6+ to avoid however petrol cars only have to be euro 4+.

Whatever you buy condition/history is all. Check service records / mot history thoroughly. Has everything been done - eg brake fluid changes, cambelt etc.

I myself have a 1.4 tsi Skoda Superb (barge) and I average mid 40's mpg.

Edited by Big John on 05/08/2023 at 18:56

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Rudlin

Thanks for that. It seems like Audi A4 1.4tsfi could be most optimal car for me.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - SLO76

Thanks for that. It seems like Audi A4 1.4tsfi could be most optimal car for me.


If image is important I can see the appeal of the Audi A4. These are good looking, classy and pleasant to drive. Modern DPF equipped diesels aren’t a good bet at this age however and money so I too will recommend only looking at the 1.4 TSi petrol. I’d leave the BMW which despite what utter rubbish you may have read in What Car magazine is poorly regarded by the trade for reliability, there’s just too much that can and will go wrong with an older BMW, especially the diesels and 4cyl models in general.

A better bet when considering your relatively limited budget and intention of long term ownership would be the Mazda 3 or 6 with the robust and decently economical 2.0 skyactiv petrol motor. These are good to drive, good to look at at and pretty practical too. There’s no complex emissions control gubbins to go wrong, no turbo to fail and no timing belt to relieve you of £500 or so every 5yrs or so. I highly rate these cars.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Big John

I'm somewhat reluctant to look for another Ford. Not big fan of available Seat options. Hondas seem to be rather expensive. Would Toyota Auris hybrid be a good long-term option?

The Auris hybrid hatch only has a small boot however the Auris touring has much more space. They are very popular so are going for stupid money so with your budget it'll be older with higher mileage. Beware clocking on these, they take mileage well so it's harder to tell. When I looked a while ago for someone every car I looked at/researched had some sort of "issue" be it MOT records, import, no service history etc.They already have a 2007 Prius owned from new that has been bullet proof but is showing signs of decay now - under body rust, oil burning - saying that it just flew through it's MOT!

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Rudlin

I agree. I'm not the expert, but market seems very distorted. Older Japanese cars are often more expensive that shiny 6-7 German executive class cars.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Xileno

Petrol versions of those models would be safer from a reliability perspective and considering your 7K annual mileage.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - catsdad

Mazda as a manufacturer has been suggested by Rudlin. If you want something that’s not a run of the mill hatch how about a Mazda 6 petrol. Diesels are not well regarded.

On Autotrader there are several around £10-£11k some with quite low mileages. No turbo so need revs but might also mean more reliable as a keeper. I like how they look and they are priced a bit more reasonably compared to many cars in the current market.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - catsdad

Regarding the Audi 1.4 you need to check if it’s got a belt or chain driven cam. In general Audi changed to belt after 2015. Usually most of us here would favour a chain (such as in the Mazdas) but VAG are an exception in that chains were prone to premature wear and belts are more reliable.
So if considering a VAG 1.4 check that it is belt driven and budget for £600- £800 for a replacement if it’s due. That aside the 1.4 is a very nice engine with great economy.

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Steveieb

But how reliable are Audi VW Chains .

Ive heard they are prone to breaking and doing catastrophic damage to the engine.

Some say check for rattling on start up and switch off is necessary and fit a new chain, which can mean an engine out on some models !

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - daveyjp

If I wanted a car to do 70,000 miles over the next ten years it wouldn't be an 8-10 year old BMW or Audi with probably well over 100k on the clock.

The problem is for the budget I don't know what it would be. The advent of turbos on most petrol vehicles you would have once looked at such as Mondeos is a potential expense you probably woukdn't want.

However on Autotrader there is a 2016 Toyota Avensis 1.8 with 27,000 in sensible silver which would be tough to say no to.

Edited by daveyjp on 07/08/2023 at 21:11

Audi A4/BMW 3 - Seeking for a new long-term car - Big John

But how reliable are Audi VW Chains .

All Audi A4 1.4s are fitted with the cambelt EA211 engine.

Re Mazda I agree the petrol engines are fabulous but in my experience you have to be careful re rust as they get older.

Whatever the choice - condition is all!

Edited by Big John on 07/08/2023 at 23:55