What's the price gap between 2014 to 2015 or 2016 to 17? So far as I can see that gets no mention so we're short of evidence.

That said, emission zones that penalise pre Euro 6 diesel cars are not limited to London. Birmingham* has something similar and, if it's not already in place, Bristol have one in the pipeline. Other cities will follow. MArket forces might well give a premium.

Not just a UK thing either.

NOx and particulates are proven to cause harm:

www.judiciary.uk/prevention-of-future-death-report.../

Typical media reporting. Not the whole story, suspect quotes from 'experts' and London centric to boot.

*Mrs B strayed into the Birmingham one while at a conference their a couple of weeks ago. Banged to rights by the pictures and £60; discount of 50% for an early plea :-P

Edited by Bromptonaut on 28/07/2023 at 17:06

Khan and his colleagues in other cities need money from motorists for their schemes. At the moment parking fees and ULEZ are bringing some in but once the ULEZ income declines a different revenue raising scheme will be needed of which road pricing seems the favourite, Usual tactics will apply, a small charge at first followed by relentless rises. Same nationally, fuel duty will erode so other ways of taxing the motorist will be brought in and many will not be able to afford EVs, as usual the poorer in society will be hit.

There is already ULEZ in inner London. People who lived in outer London and travel via inner London already upgraded their cars or tried find another route.

Hence the claim only 1 in 10 cars don't comply. However, that does not include the people who already upgraded their vehicle.

It has surprised my why ULEZ extension has become controversial.

ULEZ has divided communities in London and around the country.

Sadiq Khan could see support ULEZ 'extension' was slipping away. As evident from the questioning of the Mayor. He got the help of the 'active travel' lobby and the cycling lobby. These are extremists who just think there should be no cars on the road. I am wondering if they have seen those container ships bring in consumer goods on a daily basis to the UK.They want all the conveniences of consumer goods and the modern world, but they don't have a clue how the world works.

These lobby groups support LTN (Low Traffic Neighborhoods). They frankly petrol bombed the debate on social media with their harsh view and made it toxic.

Looking at social media profile some of them, they are avid cyclists. They are religiously anti-car, but at the same time are jetting off around the world. I don't understand how they can take two opposing views?

It feels they are climate hypocrites.

Changing your mode of transport is n't going to solve climate change. All of us using our gas boilers in winter. All of us are cooking food. Or taking a hot bath or shower....

They seem to think getting rid of diesels will help the climate, but diesels have a lower carbon footprint then petrol cars.

Most of them are out of touch with working class people. This was quite evident with the Just OIl Protestors. Often blocking the path of builders, delivery drivers or scaffolding company.

They are middle classes, working from home on their laptop but unable see that someone may be driving to their job to an industrial estate inthe middle of nowhere. They would not have cycle route to there. My neighbhouurs is an HGV driver and he has to drive to the lorry depot. People like him re-fiill our local supermarkets and shops.

The Tory Grant Schapps (when Transport minister) may have been playing games, as they imposed ULEZ / Congestion on London, but at the Tories same time are attacking Sadiq Khan for support it.I am not sure if Grant Schapps imposed the ULEZ 'extension' on London.

This is not to say that Sadiq Khan has been a climate saint. He pushed through expansion of London City Airport which increased pollution. He is building a new river crossing in London. Both of which increase reduce air quality and increase pollution.

There are also Cruise ships coming into London chugging out diesel smoke.....

Funny I checked online if my car was ok expecting it to fail but it was fine for such zones. I kinda think it is too little too late for polution. And what is more, we are all paying the financial cost with the councils across the country spending millions on being green.

The gov of course will not back down or admit they have it wrong, and that applies to all gov, the fact is that we only recycle about 20% of the stuff collected because they underestimated how much of it there is, and how expensive it is.

These batteries that electric cars use, will still have to be buried somewhere, or disposed of as they still cannot recycle most of it, also following huge fires caused by electric car factories, and scooters in homes. I will never trust them.

Ps Did anyone hear how that fire in the Jaguar plant got started ? They where very quick to say it WAS NOT because of the electric cars/components or related machinery in the factory? But, stated they did not know what caused it in the same sentence, is it just me or did they contradict themselves in that if they do not know what caused it, they surely cannot say what did not ?