The van wasn't signalling, but as he was in the lane for going left I don't think he needs to. Cyclist is at fault here IMO, too impatient.

It's left turn only so the cyclist would have known the van was going to turn left.

Ok

There is a big white arrow on the road telling everyone that is left turn only, the van is exiting onto a road where he cannot go wide because then he would be on the wrong side of the road.

This is typical of a cyclist in London who think the rules do not apply to them, he should have followed the van through behind and not passed him on the inside, he should also have noted the big arrow and realised the van was going left, it is a dedicated lane so no inidcation is required by the van driver. Also, you can only go left or right and NOT straight on, and the 3rd clue for the brainless cyclist is that there are only 2 lanes with no option to go straight on so common sense would or should have told him that the left lane is for left and the right lane is for right, the bus indicating right in the right lane is also clue.

You will also notice ( or maybe not ) that there was plenty of room for the cyclist after the bend if you look at the picture below the video, so yet again the impatience of the road user has been a cause of this. They are rubbish drivers in London, my brother lives their and told me once, that it is NORMAL for a car to have dents etc, which tells you everything you need to know about the quality of the drivers.

Edited by HGV ~ P Valentine on 31/07/2023 at 09:00

It's arguable that a van driver, making proper use of his near side mirror could have avoided that one but the cyclist was pretty silly to go where he did.

That's what I was thinking

In a vehicle with a "tail" cyclist/cars are taught to never go on the inside as the tail (especially in an artic) takes a tighter line then the front. When taking a tight bend, a vehicle with a trailer/tail has to either take it wide on the entrance or wide on the exit to avoid mounting the pavement, an even wider turn is required for rigids with the same length.

Rule 221.

Shows an artic having to use the full width of the road ( going onto the other side ) to turn left at a T Junction. For the driver in this situation you would hope that there is not an i**** cyclist ignoring the cars stopping and hope they would not try and pass you on the inside ( or any side for that matter ) until after you had completed the move.

Easy...bad judgement by the cyclist.

He should have simply followed the van around the corner and not been so impatient.

I speak as a cyclist.

By popular request this thread is being opened but if it descends in the same way of others recently it will be locked.

Mod

I truly fail to make any sense of "" By popular request"" never seen it before. I hope it is in some way reconciliation and light hearted after yesterdays unfortunate fallings out. I would like to apologise for my part in the matter and move on.

Ah! Got it at last, nice one. There's me trying to be serious

I truly fail to make any sense of "" By popular request"" never seen it before.

So far as I could see threadlock was applied PDQ after your OP.

Given what's happened recently and the tendency of some threads to go rapidly off piste I can see why the Mods first thought was to cut it off at the knees.

However, it's an interesting vid and really ought to be allowed comment.

As a former London commuter cyclist I was itching to add my two penn'rth - and I wasn't going to defend the chump on the bike. Messaged the Mods and asked them to think agian about the lock.

I wasn't alone and they did.