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Salary sacrifice schemes - Dutch1

Hello,

The company I work for has recently launched a salary sacrifice scheme where you can sacrifice part of your salary in exchange for a new electric/hybrid car through Lex Autolease.

Does anyone have any feedback on these type of schemes?

I started having a brief look at what was available on the portal. Based on 14'000 miles per year over 48 months I found a Kia Xceed Hatchback 1.6 PHEV for £483.24 (indicative net reduction) and a Kia Niro Estate 1.6 PHEV at £490.

Thanks,

Dutch

Edited by Dutch1 on 03/07/2023 at 16:34

Salary sacrifice schemes - Adampr

I've used one and it was pretty good.

It was great value back then, but is less so now as the grant on purchase price has gone and BIK is going up. If one would work for you, full EVs are normally better value.

If you have the choice of franchise or independent servicing, go for franchise or you'll keep being sent off an hour from home and paying for a courtesy car.

Salary sacrifice schemes - Ian_SW

There was a scheme offered by my employer (big multinational), but the company they chose was a complete rip-off. Even after taking account the tax savings, it cost more per month than leasing the same car with take home pay. Someone, somewhere must have been making a lot of money out of it.

It was launched amid much fanfare in the company, but I don't know a single person working there who has used it.

The other thing to watch out for with salary sacrifice is if you have a defined benefit pension scheme. A final salary scheme would be OK provided you don't do the salary salary sacrifice in the year before retirement, though are a rarity outside these days. Quite a few places still have some sort of "average salary" pension scheme though, and with those you could lose thousands off your retirement income just to save a few hundred on a car.

Salary sacrifice schemes - badbusdriver

I started having a brief look at what was available on the portal. Based on 14'000 miles per year over 48 months I found a Kia Xceed Hatchback 1.6 PHEV for £483.24 (indicative net reduction) and a Kia Niro Estate 1.6 PHEV at £490.

Your deal would cost a little over £23,520 in total for the Niro assuming no deposit needed(?).

I just looked on a lease comparison website I'm familiar with and on it I can find a Kia Niro for £368 per month (£1100 up front) over 4 years and a 15k per year mileage allowance. That works out at £18,860 in total including the deposit.

So it doesn't look that great a deal to me.

Salary sacrifice schemes - Dutch1

No deposit is needed.

The deal includes car insurance, servicing, tyre repairs and maintenance.

Salary sacrifice schemes - Adampr

No deposit is needed.

The deal includes car insurance, servicing, tyre repairs and maintenance.

So, is four years worth of servicing, tyres and insurance going to cost you nearly £5k? As I said, I did it but my Corsa-e (2 years, 10,000 miles a year) was £329 a month, which seemed pretty good when electricity was 5p/kWh overnight.

Not saying it's a good or bad idea, just make sure you do your maths.

Salary sacrifice schemes - sammy1

Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Salary sacrifice schemes - daveyjp

Keep salary sacrifice options for investment, such as additional pension contributions.

I wouldn't use ss to buy a depreciating asset unless I was doing very high annual mileage and the monthly business mileage payments covered the cost.

Salary sacrifice schemes - Adampr

Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Do you work Sammy?

Salary sacrifice schemes - sammy1

Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Do you work Sammy?

Yes> My heart and lungs and everything else working just fine I am pleased to say. In the last few days I have walked the River Teifi Gorge, a strenuous walk man made that hugs the hills along the river. It is only 4 miles but up and down like a roller coaster with some steep drops to the river, It takes in old quarries and closed mining and the scenery is as good as it gets. We then went to the wetlands for a few hours of bird watching. Also in the meadows are a pair of water buffalo which naturally help to maintain the vegetation.

Salary sacrifice schemes - Adampr

Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Do you work Sammy?

Yes> My heart and lungs and everything else working just fine I am pleased to say. In the last few days I have walked the River Teifi Gorge, a strenuous walk man made that hugs the hills along the river. It is only 4 miles but up and down like a roller coaster with some steep drops to the river, It takes in old quarries and closed mining and the scenery is as good as it gets. We then went to the wetlands for a few hours of bird watching. Also in the meadows are a pair of water buffalo which naturally help to maintain the vegetation.

I'll take that as "not anymore, I am happily retired".

Anyway, it might be more helpful to offer any useful information you might have rather than berate someone for asking a legitimate question.

Salary sacrifice schemes - sammy1

"" Do you work Sammy""" Is this what you mean by a legitimate question?

The answer I have given to this post is perfectly satisfactory and really the whole purpose of SS. The amount you can afford to sacrifice surely helps you decide what car you can afford if indeed you want to commit to buying a car this way.

Salary sacrifice schemes - alan1302

Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Thought you were retired? Don't think you are classed as an average tax payer any more.

Salary sacrifice schemes - sammy1

Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Thought you were retired? Don't think you are classed as an average tax payer any more.

????? How can you possible know how much my income retired or not is and how much income tax if any I pay What does an average tax payer Pay?

Salary sacrifice schemes - alan1302

Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Thought you were retired? Don't think you are classed as an average tax payer any more.

????? How can you possible know how much my income retired or not is and how much income tax if any I pay What does an average tax payer Pay?

I don't know how much tax you pay - but if you are retired and not working the ammount of tax you pay won't be what the 'average' person pays with the tax they pay on wages. I think the average tax is around £6/7k per year.

Salary sacrifice schemes - sammy1

Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Thought you were retired? Don't think you are classed as an average tax payer any more.

????? How can you possible know how much my income retired or not is and how much income tax if any I pay What does an average tax payer Pay?

I don't know how much tax you pay - but if you are retired and not working the ammount of tax you pay won't be what the 'average' person pays with the tax they pay on wages. I think the average tax is around £6/7k per year.

???? you still don't get it!

Salary sacrifice schemes - alan1302

Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Thought you were retired? Don't think you are classed as an average tax payer any more.

????? How can you possible know how much my income retired or not is and how much income tax if any I pay What does an average tax payer Pay?

I don't know how much tax you pay - but if you are retired and not working the ammount of tax you pay won't be what the 'average' person pays with the tax they pay on wages. I think the average tax is around £6/7k per year.

???? you still don't get it!

What don't I get?

Salary sacrifice schemes - expat

Be sure that you are going to stay with that business until the lease is over. If you leave or get made redundant you may have to pay out the entire contract right away.

Salary sacrifice schemes - Bromptonaut

Be sure that you are going to stay with that business until the lease is over. If you leave or get made redundant you may have to pay out the entire contract right away.

People on the Salary Sacrifice scheme for pedal bikes, Cycle to Work, get caught that way. The bike still belongs to the employer. One or two of my contemporaries in the MoJ faced that choice because redundancy beckoned. Even after you've finished paying for it the bike still belongs to the employer and to take ownership you have to pay for it.

When the scheme started the purchase price was a 13th installment but later on HMRC decided the value was a lot more. They now have a table with value declining in increments to nil at around 4 years.

It worked OK for me as I got a Brompton which was £850 for a net outlay considerably less. Technically it probably still belongs to the MoJ but it wasn't raised at my exit interview and given I'm now 10 years gone I don't think anybody's going to come knocking.

In any event it's official value after five years is nil/nugatory.

Salary sacrifice schemes - Big John

I've always been slightly distrusting of salary sacrifice schemes especially the ones that save you a bit of NI and your employers save some more NI costs as well. I was always nervous it would eventually seen as an avoidance exercise. I was in such a scheme but my salary meant my savings were very small indeed. As I was a member of a career average pension scheme at the time that worried me as well - although we were assured it would make no difference even though theoretically your salary had been reduced. After a year I came out of salary sacrifice.

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Salary sacrifice schemes - sammy1

""""Yes do the maths because the money comes of your gross monthly before you pay the tax and NI so the saving is here before you work out the deals. Something else subsidised by the average tax payer like me but good luck to you.

Thought you were retired? Don't think you are classed as an average tax payer any more.

????? How can you possible know how much my income retired or not is and how much income tax if any I pay What does an average tax payer Pay?

I don't know how much tax you pay - but if you are retired and not working the ammount of tax you pay won't be what the 'average' person pays with the tax they pay on wages. I think the average tax is around £6/7k per year.

???? you still don't get it!

What don't I get?

Well for a start all the personal assumptions about me.

Now have a look at the statement I don't know how much take you pay and the absurd statement of how much tax a retired person would pay! Many people retired have an income often exceeding their working pay due to savings, multiple pensions including the state one, investments, buy to let you name it. To assume retirement is a low income tax bracket for people is just wrong and in many cases the wealth of the country is tied up in old folks

Just lay off the personal stuff and stick to the subject of the post, whether any of the above applies to me is none of your business.

Salary sacrifice schemes - FP

Sammy, your problem was using the words "... the average tax payer like me..."

So you are the one who made it personal.

Salary sacrifice schemes - sammy1

Sammy, your problem was using the words "... the average tax payer like me..."

So you are the one who made it personal.

Don't talk rubbish, the average tax payer like any one then. The quote only referred to payer no idea what the average take is or if it even has any meaning. Still subsidising salary sacrifice especially for those earning more than enough to afford a new car is obscene given the poverty that exists in this country and supposedly not enough money to do much about it..

Salary sacrifice schemes - FP

"The quote only referred to payer no idea what the average take is or if it even has any meaning."

I'm not the one talking rubbish.

Salary sacrifice schemes - Bromptonaut

Sammy, your problem was using the words "... the average tax payer like me..."

So you are the one who made it personal.

Sammy's post might have been a tad ambiguous but...

I think he meant he was an average Joe (or Sammy) who pays tax. No intention to suggest where, in relation to the mean or median amount of tax paid in UK, he was.

Salary sacrifice schemes - Xileno

This sideshow is getting tedious now, can we get back to answering the OP's questions.

Thanks

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