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Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - mcb100
A press release from Gridserve today tells of the installation of a bank of rapid chargers at Ferrybridge Services at the junction of the M62 and A1(M).
But instead of potentially waiting months for a suitable electrical feed to the site, drivers will charge from second life EV batteries that are, in turn, charged by generators running on vegetable oil. The generation process is 90% lower carbon emitting than diesel and the requisite number of trees will be planted to hit net zero.
It’s a temporary solution until the chargers are permanently hooked up to the mains.
Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - Adampr

I look forward to a photo of those generators making it into the tabloids with no mention of the fuel source...

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - mcb100
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Edited by mcb100 on 30/06/2023 at 18:05

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - daveyjp

The irony being the service station is within spitting distance of a now decommissioned power station.

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - gordonbennet

You don't know whethe to laugh or cry, this is how one might expect some third world country to cobble something together.

Britain has gone from a respected industrial nation to an international joke, all under the governance of a fake conservative regime that has failed to conserve anything.

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - sammy1

Seems like a lot of trouble to me for a bit of electric when you can just roll on to a BP forecourt fill up and be gone in less than 5 minutes. Where is all the veggie oil coming from? Are we into second life EV batteries already, surely they must be hard to come by given their life span? At least they are trying and not like the Cardiff bus company charging EV buses with diesel generators

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - mcb100
I’m going to take a guess that it’s coming from myriad commercial kitchens once it’s finished its cooking duties. I don’t know whether they still do, but Mcdonalds used to run their own trucks on waste cooking oil.
Batteries, or more specifically individual cells, will be coming from written off EV’s.
Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - alan1302

You don't know whethe to laugh or cry, this is how one might expect some third world country to cobble something together.

Britain has gone from a respected industrial nation to an international joke, all under the governance of a fake conservative regime that has failed to conserve anything.

At the end of the day all they are doing is using veg oil instead of diesel in a generator - seems like a good idea to me...what's so cobbled about it?

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - bathtub tom

There's a u-tube video I've seen with a bunch of Tesla chargers t'other side of a fence from a diesel generator.

What is the collective noun for a group of Tesla chargers?

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - sammy1

There's a u-tube video I've seen with a bunch of Tesla chargers t'other side of a fence from a diesel generator.

What is the collective noun for a group of Tesla chargers?

App ointment of. Charge of the Tesla Brigade

Well you did ask and I tried!

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - edlithgow

There's a u-tube video I've seen with a bunch of Tesla chargers t'other side of a fence from a diesel generator.

What is the collective noun for a group of Tesla chargers?

App ointment of. Charge of the Tesla Brigade

Well you did ask and I tried!

How Green Was My Valley of Death?

Or

Would the-last-person-to-leave-put-out-the-Light-Brigade?

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - Sofa Spud

As a temporary solution the generator seems OK.

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - Bromptonaut

The irony being the service station is within spitting distance of a now decommissioned power station.

Which burned coal.

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - focussed

You'll wish there were more coal fired power stations next winter.

www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/06/29/no-backup-plan.../

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - Adampr

You'll wish there were more coal fired power stations next winter.

www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/06/29/no-backup-plan.../

If Breitbart says it's going to happen, I think we can all relax.

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - focussed

You'll wish there were more coal fired power stations next winter.

www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/06/29/no-backup-plan.../

If Breitbart says it's going to happen, I think we can all relax.

If the guardian says it's true it must be true!

www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/28/uk-to-run...r

Feel better now?

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - Adampr

You'll wish there were more coal fired power stations next winter.

www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/06/29/no-backup-plan.../

If Breitbart says it's going to happen, I think we can all relax.

If the guardian says it's true it must be true!

www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/28/uk-to-run...r

Feel better now?

Yes, thanks. Still unsure why I should care. Hopefully switching off stuff that isn't needed will save us all some money, or is next winter going to be different from the one just past, where there were in fact no black outs at all?

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - edlithgow

DP sorry

Edited by edlithgow on 01/07/2023 at 06:52

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - edlithgow

Wonder how they come up with 90%

Fuel should be zero carbon emitting, unless they factor in the carbon footprint of growing it.

Presumably they DO factor in the carbon footprint of producing the generating system, and its lubricants.

These calculations get pretty complicated

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - John F

Seems like just one step away from the Chinese EV Nio system where you just swap the battery. Almost as quick as conventional refuelling.

www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/insi.../

Seems like a good idea for long term owners who would otherwise worry about the reduced lifespan and rapid depreciation of their EVs owing to battery degradation. Would also spread the load on our potentially inadequate national grid.

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - Bolt

Would also spread the load on our potentially inadequate national grid.

Don`t see how if one/or many stations is doing all the charging, thats one hell of a strain on the grid keeping up with all those battery packs

Common sense tell you its no different to people charging at home

the cost may reflect this as well?

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - focussed

Drivers of EV vehicles should only be allowed to charge from a source that is 100% low carbon, green, renewable power, windmills, solar, bio-thingy etc.

Otherwise, it's just fake.

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - badbusdriver

Drivers of EV vehicles should only be allowed to charge from a source that is 100% low carbon, green, renewable power, windmills, solar, bio-thingy etc.

So owners of EV's should be responsible for running the chargers too?. Thats a bit like saying owners of ICE cars should be responsible for how the fuel gets to the pump, i.e, an utterly ludicrous and nonsensical statement!

Otherwise, it's just fake.

What's just fake?

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - focussed

Drivers of EV vehicles should only be allowed to charge from a source that is 100% low carbon, green, renewable power, windmills, solar, bio-thingy etc.

So owners of EV's should be responsible for running the chargers too?. Thats a bit like saying owners of ICE cars should be responsible for how the fuel gets to the pump, i.e, an utterly ludicrous and nonsensical statement!

Otherwise, it's just fake.

What's just fake?

Driving an electric car to prove you are "green" when it's charged by non-green electrical power is fakeing it.

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - mcb100
‘ Drivers of EV vehicles should only be allowed to charge from a source that is 100% low carbon, green, renewable power, windmills, solar, bio-thingy etc.’

Have a look at the websites of public charge suppliers - I think you’ll find they are.

www.yourparkingspace.co.uk/insights/greenest-ev-ch...s

Edited by mcb100 on 02/07/2023 at 09:01

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - sammy1

OK so EVs have got their own GRID have they?? I bit like energy suppliers saying they are 100% green energy suppliers. In peoples dreams

Any - EV’s and vegetable oil. - badbusdriver

What's just fake?

Driving an electric car to prove you are "green" when it's charged by non-green electrical power is fakeing it.

Well first, and this is obviously going to come as a surprise to you, but people can choose an electric car for reasons other than to prove that they are (or appear to be) green. I know on this forum, nobody seems to be able to get past the list price (despite how few people actually "buy" cars these days regardless of whether ICE or electric). And as with so many things, deals are there to be had, they pop up and then disappear again. For example, looking at a lease comparison site I've used before I see that a lease deal for an ORA Funky Cat can be had (48Wh) for £200 per month. On that same site, the cheapest deal for a Golf (1.0 TSI) is £240 per month. Both have a deposit equivalent to 12 months payments, both limited to 5k miles per annum. So you tell me, would the person choosing the Funky Cat be doing so because they want to appear green, or because it is a better deal?. Some may choose an electric car because of its looks, others because they like its smooth and quiet nature, others because they like the instant performance thrust, others maybe simply because they don't like going to filling stations.

But still that doesn't explain why you think EV drivers should be responsible for whether or not the public chargers they use are green?