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Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - Carrot

My 2019 plate Sandero has a firm suspension and I feel every pothole.

Are there tyres that would give a softer ride?

Thank you

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - gordonbennet
You sometimes find all season tyres have a softer compound, Uniroyal Rain Experts whilst not actually genuine all seasons have usually been compliant in my experience, good value too.

However, did your model come with larger wheel diameter with low profile tyres? if so the biggest inprovement would be found by checking if there were alternative sizes offered on other specifications, ie smaller wheels with higher profile tyres, one method of changing cheaply might be by posting on a Dacia forum to see if someone fancies doing a swap if they have the smaller wheels, you could haggle what's worth more wheel and tyre wise...i personally prefer 55 as a minimum aspect ratio with an ideal being 65 or 70, but 70 aspect is considered ''don't fill the arches mate'' by many hence why massive wheels and elastic band tyres feature on so many cars to their detriment.

Just one other thought, pressures are presently correct and at the lowest normal recommended setting?
Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - Carrot

Thanks for your reply. The writing on the tyres is:

Kumho Ecowing ES01 185/65 R15 88H

Pressures are 32 psi as recommended.

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - gordonbennet

Thanks for your reply. The writing on the tyres is:

Kumho Ecowing ES01 185/65 R15 88H

Pressures are 32 psi as recommended.

Good tyre size that, should be a decent enough ride. 32 seems a little high for normal running, could that be the fully freighted/high speed pressure? i ask because running Mercs years ago the tyre label was misleading, the stated pressure was X but in smaller print if you were travelling light or under 100mph 'ish! you were supposed to reduce the pressures by 4psi. As noted, might be worth checking the dampers especially are all up to scratch. edit...just had a poke nose on tyrereviews, whilst those Khumos get some unfavourable reports re grip few if any mentions of poor ride quality.

Edited by gordonbennet on 20/06/2023 at 13:23

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - Engineer Andy
You sometimes find all season tyres have a softer compound, Uniroyal Rain Experts whilst not actually genuine all seasons have usually been compliant in my experience, good value too. However, did your model come with larger wheel diameter with low profile tyres? if so the biggest inprovement would be found by checking if there were alternative sizes offered on other specifications, ie smaller wheels with higher profile tyres, one method of changing cheaply might be by posting on a Dacia forum to see if someone fancies doing a swap if they have the smaller wheels, you could haggle what's worth more wheel and tyre wise...i personally prefer 55 as a minimum aspect ratio with an ideal being 65 or 70, but 70 aspect is considered ''don't fill the arches mate'' by many hence why massive wheels and elastic band tyres feature on so many cars to their detriment. Just one other thought, pressures are presently correct and at the lowest normal recommended setting?

Quite right. I'm suprised that a Dacia of all cars would come shod on low profile tyres though. The 'downsizing' wheels and upsizing the profile of the replacement tyres certainly helped improve the ride of my ageing Mazda3, going from a 205/55 R16 OEM to 195/65 R15, with the sidewall height (overall rolling diameter of the new tyres within the permissible difference to the OEMs) changing from 112.75 to 126.75.

Certainly a cheaper option on cars with common sized tyres (like mine) and smaller (17in and below) wheels than replacing all four sets of springs and dampers (mine was going to cost about £1200 back in 2018 when I compared both, with the wheels and tyres replaced for around half that). It did help that my tyres were due for replcaement (by age, not wear in this instance) within the next year anyway.

Sometimes with newer cars, you can sell on the old wheels and even the tyres if both are in reasonable condition (especially the alloys), to offset the cost of replacements. Mine certainly were not worth flogging,

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - Adampr

Well, you're on the smallest (i.e. softest) wheel size, with good quality tyres on a softly sprung car. I would expect any complaints to be about it being a bit bouncy rather than too hard. Probably worth getting someone to put it on a lift and check that everything is OK with the suspension. If all is fine, buy a cushion.

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - bathtub tom

I presume the transport blocks (if that's what they call them) have been removed?

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - Carrot

The MOT didn't find anything untoward.

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - Engineer Andy

The MOT didn't find anything untoward.

BT's question is an ecellent one, and something that can easily be missed by main dealers - I recall it being raised here before, so best to get it verified beyond doubt, just in case.

The tyres you said are fitted should - by their size profile (they are almost the same sidewall height as now on my 17yo Mazda3), be perfectly fine in terms of comfort, with the make/model of tyre making less of a difference than if they were low profile (below 50) to start with.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 20/06/2023 at 19:49

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - Carrot

The MOT didn't find anything untoward.

BT's question is an ecellent one, and something that can easily be missed by main dealers - I recall it being raised here before, so best to get it verified beyond doubt, just in case.

The tyres you said are fitted should - by their size profile (they are almost the same sidewall height as now on my 17yo Mazda3), be perfectly fine in terms of comfort, with the make/model of tyre making less of a difference than if they were low profile (below 50) to start with.

The MOT centre I use is one that also trains new testers, so I'd be surprised if they hadn't noticed transit blocks

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - Carrot

A friend has a Logan and has the same issue. His Stepway is marginally more comfortable due to the larger tyres.

Dacia Sandero - Firm suspension - badbusdriver

A friend has a Logan and has the same issue. His Stepway is marginally more comfortable due to the larger tyres.

Worth bearing in mind that it is not the size of the tyres exactly that matters but the depth of the sidewall (from wheel rim to the road). So unless the sidewall of the tyres on the Stepway are deeper, the tyres being bigger wouldn't make much difference. But the Stepway also has a higher ride height than the Sandero (by about 20mm or thereabouts if memory serves), and that could well explain a cushier ride.

There are two aspects I suspect are responsible for your harsh ride. First is the term "eco" within the name of the tyre (Ecowing). This will invariably mean a harder compound of rubber giving lower rolling resistance (especially along with a higher pressure than others think necessary for a car like the Sandero) and lower wear rate. The second, in combination with "eco" is the actual weight rating of the tyres. The higher the number is, the stiffer and stronger the rubber will be (to deal with more weight). Your weight rating of 88 represents 560kg per tyre, four of which is 2240kg. Now I have taken the liberty of assuming your Sandero is the previous gen car, the heaviest of which would be the diesel engined version. But even that only has a GVW* of 1633kg, way less than your tyres can deal with. If your Sandero is a petrol version, you can knock at least 100kg off that GVW. I would say, even accounting for a disparity between the weight over the front and rear, you don't need any more than 80 (450kg per tyre, 1800kg total) for a petrol, and maybe 82-84 (475-500kg per tyre, 1900-2000kg total) for a diesel. I should point out that I have no idea of the legalities of choosing tyres with a lower weight rating than OE. But, as long as they comfortably exceed the requirements re the GVW of the car, I can't see why it would be a problem.

For reference, my VW Caddy van has a GVW of 2240kg, and while I choose tyres with a 95 load rating, I could get away with 91's. That represents 615kg per tyre, only a little more than yours.