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n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - focussed
Pollution from tyre wear can be 1,000 times worse than what comes out of a car’s exhaust, Emissions Analytics has found.

Harmful particle matter from tyres – and also brakes – is a very serious and growing environmental problem, one that is being exacerbated by the increasing popularity of large, heavy vehicles such as SUVs, and growing demand for electric vehicles, which are heavier than standard cars because of their batteries.

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n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - Adampr

I have some serious doubts over the quality of their (3 year old) research on one car.

I may be about to embarrass myself with a poor grasp maths, but:

They calculated tyre emissions as 5.8g/km.

Assuming a car with 4 wheels that means each tyre loses 1.45g/km.

Assuming a tyre weighs 9kg, the entire tyre would be worn down after 6,207km.

In other words, your tyres would disappear completely every 3,857 miles.

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - Terry W

Good to be on the ball - report is 3 years old.

Worse than that the conclusions seem complete nonsense:

"we found that the car emitted 5.8 grams per kilometer of particles.

Compared with regulated exhaust emission limits of 4.5 milligrams per kilometer, the completely unregulated tyre wear emission is higher by a factor of over 1,000".

  1. An average car tyre weighs around 8-10kg. Assume 10kg and 30% (a guess) relates to usable tread
  2. At 5.8grams per kilometre this would give a tyre life of about 600 miles
  3. It could be a typo and should read 5.8 milligrams. But the "factor of over a 1000" would be completely wrong - it would then read "a little bit more than".

It would be good to know the truth rather than react to complete rubbish.

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - Adampr

Good to be on the ball - report is 3 years old.

Worse than that the conclusions seem complete nonsense:

"we found that the car emitted 5.8 grams per kilometer of particles.

Compared with regulated exhaust emission limits of 4.5 milligrams per kilometer, the completely unregulated tyre wear emission is higher by a factor of over 1,000".

  1. An average car tyre weighs around 8-10kg. Assume 10kg and 30% (a guess) relates to usable tread
  2. At 5.8grams per kilometre this would give a tyre life of about 600 miles
  3. It could be a typo and should read 5.8 milligrams. But the "factor of over a 1000" would be completely wrong - it would then read "a little bit more than".

It would be good to know the truth rather than react to complete rubbish.

Who's going to tell John F that he needs new tyres every 600 miles?

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - edlithgow

"we found that the car emitted 5.8 grams per kilometer of particles.

That'd be a kilometer of particles, placed edge to edge, presumably.

So the distance from the earth to the sun would weigh quite a lot.

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - Terry W

You did better than me - I forgot there are 4 tyres on a car!!!

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - galileo

Good to be on the ball - report is 3 years old.

Worse than that the conclusions seem complete nonsense:

"we found that the car emitted 5.8 grams per kilometer of particles.

Compared with regulated exhaust emission limits of 4.5 milligrams per kilometer, the completely unregulated tyre wear emission is higher by a factor of over 1,000".

  1. An average car tyre weighs around 8-10kg. Assume 10kg and 30% (a guess) relates to usable tread
  2. At 5.8grams per kilometre this would give a tyre life of about 600 miles
  3. It could be a typo and should read 5.8 milligrams. But the "factor of over a 1000" would be completely wrong - it would then read "a little bit more than".

It would be good to know the truth rather than react to complete rubbish.

  • As I pointed out a few days ago, this is the weakness of the metric system, misplaced decimal point or too many zeroes leads to nonsensical results which the originator does not realise are wrong.
n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - Engineer Andy

Good to be on the ball - report is 3 years old.

Worse than that the conclusions seem complete nonsense:

"we found that the car emitted 5.8 grams per kilometer of particles.

Compared with regulated exhaust emission limits of 4.5 milligrams per kilometer, the completely unregulated tyre wear emission is higher by a factor of over 1,000".

  1. An average car tyre weighs around 8-10kg. Assume 10kg and 30% (a guess) relates to usable tread
  2. At 5.8grams per kilometre this would give a tyre life of about 600 miles
  3. It could be a typo and should read 5.8 milligrams. But the "factor of over a 1000" would be completely wrong - it would then read "a little bit more than".

It would be good to know the truth rather than react to complete rubbish.

  • As I pointed out a few days ago, this is the weakness of the metric system, misplaced decimal point or too many zeroes leads to nonsensical results which the originator does not realise are wrong.

Sadly, I swa that sort of mistake more and more often as an engineer, because each generation of younger staff got lazier and more dependent upon computer software packages (never mind calculators) and rarely checked their work.

Later on, getting a more senior colleague to check and sign off work had started to be 'avoided' in the name of cutting costs - which sometimes backfired spectacularly. I wouldn't be suprised if in this case a junior person was doing most of the work and senior colleagues didn't bother to check if (or properly) before releasing it for publication.

I suspect this has also happened in the world of 'science' as well, also factoring in unconscious bias and political agendas (on both sides of debates) in order to 'prove' the other wrong or 'their argument' correct.

I'm just glad there's still enough people who can properly critique such documents to at least correct mistakes, never mind discredit 'bad science' and / or downright lies.

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - Andrew-T

Possibly, after all those years, there may be merit in the old instruction to slow down on the gears, not necessarily the brakes ?

That, of course, doesn't eliminate tyre wear, but it should reduce particles from the braking system. And perhaps gearing down gives more gradual retardation with less tyre wear.

Edited by Andrew-T on 06/06/2023 at 18:04

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - sammy1

As soon as I saw this post I knew there would be knockers. The simple truth is that tyres wear out and we are only just beginning to learn how damaging this can be for the environment. On a car like a Focus a careful driver might get 30k miles where as boy racer will get 10k. Yes weight is bound to be a factor but we cannot do without tyres so have to accept things As I said on another thread new regs on tyres and brakes is but a drop in the ocean

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - Andrew-T

On a car like a Focus a careful driver might get 30k miles where as boy racer will get 10k. Yes weight is bound to be a factor but we cannot do without tyres so have to accept things.

Back in the day when many cars weighed under a ton, tyres were narrower with a higher profile. On our 205s they usually did over 50K, even on a diesel with most of the weight on the front wheels - if one rotated the tyres diligently.

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - Engineer Andy

On a car like a Focus a careful driver might get 30k miles where as boy racer will get 10k. Yes weight is bound to be a factor but we cannot do without tyres so have to accept things.

Back in the day when many cars weighed under a ton, tyres were narrower with a higher profile. On our 205s they usually did over 50K, even on a diesel with most of the weight on the front wheels - if one rotated the tyres diligently.

Indeed - I managed to eke out 55,000 miles on my old Micra's OEM tyres (175/60 R13) over about 6-7 years (2 years and 20k ish being by the previous owner). Even on my 2005 built Mazda3 (then OEM 205/55 R16) i managed to get 40k out of the original set.

Due to lower than average mileage, I've often changed them due to age and feel, especially the OEM sets, both of which were still legal tread-wise but weren't giving good traction / stopping power in wet conditions.

As my latest (3rd) set on my Mazda were 'downsized to 195/65 R15, I'm hoping to get a decent amount of use out of them, especially as newer tyres, and especially Michelins (I have CC+s fitted), now indicate that with a fair wind, tyres shuld now last nearer to 10 years rather than 5-7 as they 'used to' about a decade or so ago.

5 years (only 6,000 miles) and counting, they still work very well and have only worn from 7mm down to about a shae under 6mm.

On the other side of the coin, many neighbour, some of whom who own either bigger / heavier and/or more powerful cars (with big wheel and wide, low profile tyres) are seemingly regularly changing tyres, sometimes due to wear, but just as often due to damage. Even those who don't do that much mileage either.

n/a - Tyre wear pollution 1,000 times worse than exhaust - SLO76
I could see EV’s using more rubber, they produce full torque as soon as you stamp on the go pedal so they will eat tyres if driven hard. However, most EV owners (excluding the mechanics from my old depot in their electric van) drive gently to stretch the range out. They’re also light on brakes, I drive SWMBO’s Leaf without touching the brake pedal at all mostly thanks to the e pedal, which just ramps up the brake regeneration.

The Michelin tyres I put on old Terrance the Toyota many years ago (4 I think) are still in fine condition with years of wear left. I don’t hang about on a straight road but I don’t race around town like a teenager either so I’m more likely to see tyres cracking through age before being worn.