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Any - Stuck Piston - edlithgow

Oops. Another self-inflicted problem.

Attempting to improvise a piston ring compressor from the thin plastic cups (slightly conical. Perfect for the job thinks I) I got the piston stuck in the bore,

Its very firmly stuck, likely requiring drastic action to free it.

IF y'all had such a problem (OK, I know YOU wouldn't, but if you did) how might you address it?

And I know some of you would scrap the car, so perhaps we can take that "solution" as read (and written) so you don't have to bother writing it?

Any - Stuck Piston - paul 1963

Knock it out the way it went in using a piece of wood and a hammer.

Trying to imagine how you've used plastic cups to make a ring compresser but I can't!

Any - Stuck Piston - Adampr

Knock it out the way it went in using a piece of wood and a hammer.

Trying to imagine how you've used plastic cups to make a ring compresser but I can't!

Something involving jubilee clips?

I take it turning the crankshaft isn't working? Is it the ring or the cup that's jammed??

Any - Stuck Piston - bathtub tom

If it went in, it'll come out. You just need to hit it harder and if scrapping it is a serious consideration, then damaging it doesn't matter.

I was waiting for the first start up, to see if you sent a spark plug into orbit. ;>)

Any - Stuck Piston - galileo

How far in is the piston, any chance of warming it up to the softening point of the plastic (likely not much above 100 C?)

Otherwise hitting harder seems favourite, though a bit awkward as I assume the conrod is attached. Heavier hammers usually unstick things better than harder hits with lighter ones from my experience in foundries, engineering works and DIY.

Any - Stuck Piston - edlithgow

Bottom of the conrod not really very suitable or accessible for BFH application, and it and the crankshaft blocks access to the underside of the piston for anything wide enough to not pose a risk of punching through it.

I made a collar to protect the crank pin from further flailing about (split ring of PVC pipe.)

Then I put the bottom of the bearing carrier back on.

I made an excessively robust protector for the bottom of the bearing carrier, (PVC pipe, with an aluminium pipe inside it, filled with chopsticks hammered in tight)

I made some sleaves for the sides of the big end, from longitudinally split pipe, in case it hung up on the bottom of the cylinder and or scratched it on the way up.

I got my smallest bottle jack and pushed on the underside of the big end.

NOTHING

Pushed harder, lifting up the block (engine mounting is off at the front)

The block ended up maybe a foot higher. This was a bit stupid since gravity is a constant, but the tension from the other engine mountings probably er mounted quite a bit

NOTHING.

So PLAN B, anticipated above, so I'm not mad, I tell you, (or I'm not alone, anyway)

Aluminium BBQ dish formed to the protruding piston top, full of pre lit charcoal, and blown to red heat with a blowpipe. Much horrible abrasive ash blowing around.

For maybe a couple of hours. Quite toasty.

This would perhaps attract comment from passers by in The Yook (or from people who's expensive cars were parked alongside) but all DIY car work is equally weird and alien to Taiwanese.

NOTHING

OK, mosquito happy hour approaches. Time to pack it in, but still quite a lot of hot charcoal.

Quench with water

BANG!

Whole piston and quite a lot of the conrod pops up through the block.

I think it was probably held in place by thermal expansion and it was differential cooling that shifted it.

No obvious damage to bore or piston, though of course there might be distortion, or damage caused by jacking up the block so high (and then dropping it) that I don't know about yet

.

Edited by edlithgow on 01/06/2023 at 01:04

Any - Stuck Piston - galileo

Well done, I hope all progresses well!

Any - Stuck Piston - Adampr

It's great to have this feedback so that anyone that comes on the forum looking to free a piston jammed in place by using a plastic cup as a ring compressor knows that the solution is to have a barbecue in the cylinder bore.

Edited by Adampr on 01/06/2023 at 20:45

Any - Stuck Piston - edlithgow

It's great to have this feedback so that anyone that comes on the forum looking to free a piston jammed in place by using a plastic cup as a ring compressor knows that the solution is to have a barbecue in the cylinder bore.

OK, sure

But I wonder if this could work for a seized engine, not quite such a minority interest.,

Tends to be associated with motorcycles, which are a bit more manageable size and access wise.

In that case you might actually have to apply the heat IN the cylinder bore (here it was on top of the block) and a propane torch might be a better choice, as it probably would have been here.

Any - Stuck Piston - Adampr

It's great to have this feedback so that anyone that comes on the forum looking to free a piston jammed in place by using a plastic cup as a ring compressor knows that the solution is to have a barbecue in the cylinder bore.

OK, sure

But I wonder if this could work for a seized engine, not quite such a minority interest.,

Tends to be associated with motorcycles, which are a bit more manageable size and access wise.

In that case you might actually have to apply the heat IN the cylinder bore (here it was on top of the block) and a propane torch might be a better choice, as it probably would have been here.

I'm not trying to be unpleasant, just expressing amusement at the scrapes you get into.

Any - Stuck Piston - edlithgow

Trying to imagine how you've used plastic cups to make a ring compresser but I can't!

Cockup

Seemed like a good idea at the time

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(and I still think it might have worked with a bit better execution, though I might not risk it again)

Pushup

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Cookup

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Popup

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Edited by edlithgow on 02/06/2023 at 05:26

Any - Stuck Piston - Bolt

Trying to imagine how you've used plastic cups to make a ring compresser but I can't!

looks easy enough though I would be worried the rings having sharp edges may scrape a layer of plastic from the inside of the cup and taken up the slack between rings and bore so there is no play, maybe thats why the heat fixed it melting the plastic holding the piston??

getting closer to having it back in use from the look of it...

Any - Stuck Piston - edlithgow
Actually i dont think the meltingvplastic did free it (im avoiding the phrase “fix it”) though that was the idea. There was a substantially intact ring of plastic around the lower compression ring which I cut off
(Ive taken all the pistons out for cleaning) though it seemed to have melted a bit at the top.

As i said, I think the differential cooling/contraction of the quench freed it, which I hadnt planned so cant really take credit for

Re ring compressor, when Iast needed one, several decades ago, the recommended improvisation was a big jubilee clip. I couldnt get that to work and bought the tool (Draper IIRC)

I may be able to buy one in Taiwan but Id likely only use it once.I

tried cable ties and glass reinforced parcel banding used tourniquet stylee with a hemostat without success.

Ill try a split section of PVC pipe next, rather like the crank pin protector in pic 2, which worked well
Any - Stuck Piston - Metropolis.
This thread is marvellous. Well done fixing it Ed
Any - Stuck Piston - John F
This thread is marvellous. Well done fixing it Ed

Hear hear. Pics better than M words.

Any - Stuck Piston - Sprice

Edith Gow, not sure if you're married, but hopefully your husband doesn't mind you spending all this time on this jalopy lol.

Any - Stuck Piston - galileo

Edith Gow, not sure if you're married, but hopefully your husband doesn't mind you spending all this time on this jalopy lol.

With your reading glasses on you might notice an 'L' between 'Ed' and 'ith'.

These days 'misgendering' can get you sacked, as a teacher recently was. :-)

Edited by galileo on 02/06/2023 at 12:33

Any - Stuck Piston - edlithgow

Edith Gow, not sure if you're married, but hopefully your husband doesn't mind you spending all this time on this jalopy lol.

With your reading glasses on you might notice an 'L' between 'Ed' and 'ith'.

These days 'misgendering' can get you sacked, as a teacher recently was. :-)

Gets tricky when there are transvestite students in your class, as there have been in one or two of mine.
Any - Stuck Piston - paul 1963

Edith Gow, not sure if you're married, but hopefully your husband doesn't mind you spending all this time on this jalopy lol.

TAKE COVER!!!! :)

Any - Stuck Piston - edlithgow

Edith Gow, not sure if you're married, but hopefully your husband doesn't mind you spending all this time on this jalopy lol.

If thats a genuine misgendering mistake, its a fairly implausible one, given the nature of whats described, though i suppose it might be determinedly avoiding gender stereotyping, wonderfully woke and peaky politically correct blinder stylee If OTOH its a p***take, its been done before, and was already tedious the second time

Edited by edlithgow on 02/06/2023 at 13:06

Any - Stuck Piston - edlithgow
This thread is marvellous. Well done fixing it Ed

Hear hear. Pics better than M words.

What, better than MY words? Surely not! Dont deny they add something, but this site isnt very picture friendly unfortunately. Plus I cant help feeling there are a lot of half hour Utube vids doing the job of a short paragraph
Any - Stuck Piston - edlithgow
This thread is marvellous. Well done fixing it Ed

I think "fixing it" is a bit too kind given the self-inflicted nature of the issue, and the distinct possibility I might have cracked the block, which remains to be seen.

But thanks anyway. Hope you are right.