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Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - Random

You can have a LHD version instead.

www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/tesla-cancels-...x

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - Brit_in_Germany

I guess the autopilot will still work and hopefully it would not drive itself on the wrong side of the road (but I wouldn't guarantee that!).

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - Ian_SW

I'm slightly surprised that a left hand drive car can be homologation and sold as a "UK Market" car. I thought only single vehicle imports and very specialist vehicles such as road sweepers could be left hand drive. As well as the steering wheel being on the wrong side, there will need to be other adjustments (headlamps, speedometer etc.) for UK use.

Given how unpleasant it is to drive a car where the steering wheel is on the wrong side for the road, I can't imagine many will sell here any more. Its not just the UK affected through - about a third of the world's population live in countries which drive on the left, so it's a fair number of possible customers they are excluding.

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - movilogo

Why doesn't Tesla make the steering & pedals configurable?

Considering things are now fly-by-wire technology, it should be simple enough to design so that you can take steering and pedals out and move fit to other side with simple screw driver.

The dashboard aka giant iPad already on the middle so nothing to change there.

PS: Model 3 & Y will be still available as RHD.

Edited by movilogo on 12/05/2023 at 18:03

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - RT

Why doesn't Tesla make the steering & pedals configurable?

Considering things are now fly-by-wire technology, it should be simple enough to design so that you can take steering and pedals out and move fit to other side with simple screw driver.

The dashboard aka giant iPad already on the middle so nothing to change there.

PS: Model 3 & Y will be still available as RHD.

It's a typical blinkered view by the US car industry - GM's failure to consider RHD when developing the Insignia meant that the high performance versions weren't available in UK & Australia - their engineers "forgot" and put the turbo where the RHD steering column needed to go.

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - Engineer Andy

Why doesn't Tesla make the steering & pedals configurable?

Considering things are now fly-by-wire technology, it should be simple enough to design so that you can take steering and pedals out and move fit to other side with simple screw driver.

The dashboard aka giant iPad already on the middle so nothing to change there.

PS: Model 3 & Y will be still available as RHD.

It's a typical blinkered view by the US car industry - GM's failure to consider RHD when developing the Insignia meant that the high performance versions weren't available in UK & Australia - their engineers "forgot" and put the turbo where the RHD steering column needed to go.

...and look what happend to Vauxhall and Holden, especially the latter. I'm sure in both cases other brands will be very grateful for the extra business from RHD countries.

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - badbusdriver

Why doesn't Tesla make the steering & pedals configurable?

Considering things are now fly-by-wire technology, it should be simple enough to design so that you can take steering and pedals out and move fit to other side with simple screw driver.

The dashboard aka giant iPad already on the middle so nothing to change there.

I remember reading about the Variopilot feature available in some Mercedes Unimog models. It enables the owner to change it from LHD to RHD and vice versa, very quickly!. And that was back in the early-mid 2000's.

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - movilogo

Variopilot

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bK252NN0fs

The pedals also move as a single unit.

Edited by movilogo on 14/05/2023 at 16:40

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - Terry W

Steering and brakes tend to be physical controls and need space in the right places. Other items - information screens and many other switches can be drive by wire.

A key goal (I assume) is to minimise space used for mechanical and electrical systems and maximise the space available to occupants. This saves weight and cost. Having a design which allows simple L/RHD conversion consumes volume.

Other components usually in the dash area and may need moving to swap from L to RHD:

  • heater matrix and related motors and vents
  • wiper motor
  • glove box
  • windscreen washer bottle and motor
  • ECU's

The loads from the steering column may mean that fundamental structural changes need to be made to swap the steering gear to the other side. Location and design of the motor may be impacted.

The killer figure is that ~80-85% of global sales are LHD. India (RHD country) has a large population but relatively low car ownership.

I have little time for Elon Musk who seems an egotistical and arrogant individual, But if he wants to optimise design for LHD and eliminate REHD sales that is his choice.

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - RT

Steering and brakes tend to be physical controls and need space in the right places. Other items - information screens and many other switches can be drive by wire.

A key goal (I assume) is to minimise space used for mechanical and electrical systems and maximise the space available to occupants. This saves weight and cost. Having a design which allows simple L/RHD conversion consumes volume.

Other components usually in the dash area and may need moving to swap from L to RHD:

  • heater matrix and related motors and vents
  • wiper motor
  • glove box
  • windscreen washer bottle and motor
  • ECU's

The loads from the steering column may mean that fundamental structural changes need to be made to swap the steering gear to the other side. Location and design of the motor may be impacted.

The killer figure is that ~80-85% of global sales are LHD. India (RHD country) has a large population but relatively low car ownership.

I have little time for Elon Musk who seems an egotistical and arrogant individual, But if he wants to optimise design for LHD and eliminate REHD sales that is his choice.

Some less thorough manufacturers save money by only designing for LHD offset crash tests - so conversion to RHD includes expensive strenthening of the struct to cope with RHD offset crash tests - or they ingore the strengthening and sell less safe cars in RHD markets.

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - Steveieb

Most of these ideas have been patented by Volvo

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-8834541/Volvo-patents-sliding-steering-wheel-moves-dashboard.html

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - Engineer Andy

Most of these ideas have been patented by Volvo

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-8834541/Volvo-patents-sliding-steering-wheel-moves-dashboard.html

I'm awaiting the EVs that can be 'driven' like you can a 'car racing game' on a console or mobile phone by moving said item like a steering wheel and the movement sensors knowing/ guessing what that means. That would certainly be 'interesting' being a passenger...lots of accidents I suppose!

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - badbusdriver

Most of these ideas have been patented by Volvo

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-8834541/Volvo-patents-sliding-steering-wheel-moves-dashboard.html

I'm awaiting the EVs that can be 'driven' like you can a 'car racing game' on a console or mobile phone by moving said item like a steering wheel and the movement sensors knowing/ guessing what that means. That would certainly be 'interesting' being a passenger...lots of accidents I suppose!

Saab did try out joysticks instead of steering wheels on a couple of prototypes. They were in mounted in the centre console rather than where the steering wheel would have been.

That would be very weird methinks!

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - RT

Most of these ideas have been patented by Volvo

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-8834541/Volvo-patents-sliding-steering-wheel-moves-dashboard.html

I'm awaiting the EVs that can be 'driven' like you can a 'car racing game' on a console or mobile phone by moving said item like a steering wheel and the movement sensors knowing/ guessing what that means. That would certainly be 'interesting' being a passenger...lots of accidents I suppose!

Saab did try out joysticks instead of steering wheels on a couple of prototypes. They were in mounted in the centre console rather than where the steering wheel would have been.

That would be very weird methinks!

Rolls-Royce (the original Vickers/VW version not the BMW version) experimented with joystick steering but didn't proceed with it.

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - Sofa Spud

I'm a bit surprised that Tesla is ceasing production of RHD Model S and X. I know the smaller Model 3 and Y are much more popular here and so the market for the bigger cars is small, but they've already been making RHD versions of the bigger cars for years.

Of course, the RHD market globally is not just the UK and Ireland, but includes Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Japan and India. Maybe the pull-out is just temporary.

Re. drive-by-wire. Wasn't it the case here, under C and U regulations, that all motor vehicles designed for road use had to have a mechanical steering linkage of some sort, as with power-assisted steering, that would still work if the assistance failed? This meant that electric or hydraulic joystick type controls were not allowed.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 16/05/2023 at 09:54

Want a RHD Tesla S or X - think again - Andrew-T

<< Saab did try out joysticks instead of steering wheels on a couple of prototypes. They were in mounted in the centre console rather than where the steering wheel would have been. That would be very weird methinks! >>

Not if you were used to handling a small boat, perhaps ?