Just thinking about how much money you’d lose by buying one of these new and in how unreliable it’ll no doubt become as all those toys start to go wrong fills me with dread. I like the look of most current gen Renaults but they’ve not showered themselves in glory regarding engine reliability in recent years never mind all the unnecessary tech that they’re carrying..
Whilst the tech may be unnecessary from the point of view of it functioning as a car, for Renault to actually sell any it is vital. So it isn't unnecessary to Renault anyway.
The simple fact is a big chunk of the buying public expect and require this tech, particularly things like good Apple/Android integration. People simply won't buy cars without it. Even a base Dacia Sandero offers it.
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“CAP disagree with you with best in class RV’s leading to very good PCP figures.”
Very surprised by that, I’ll wager they’re wrong though. High end Renaults tend to drop like a stone used. Every single one they’ve ever made has, so I expect this to also.
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“CAP disagree with you with best in class RV’s leading to very good PCP figures.” Very surprised by that, I’ll wager they’re wrong though. High end Renaults tend to drop like a stone used. Every single one they’ve ever made has, so I expect this to also.
SLO, mate, give it a rest, your a bus driver that used to sell second hand cars years ago, if you were that really clued up you'd still be doing it and making a fortune.
Your insistence that a certain brand or a certain engine will either lose a ton of money or blow up are simply based on what you choose to read or believe not on real world everyday experience as is your insistence that everyone should rush out and buy a Masda despite never owning one, ( seem to remember your lovely Volvo turned out to be a pup and if my memory hasn't failed me you got tucked up on the Honda, wrong tyres fitted, old battery left in the boot etc).
As I've mentioned before I'm in the motor trade ( currently in the parts supply business, although I've been around cars since I was 20 including 20 years at Mclaren), apart from service items I honestly can't remember I supplied anything major for a Renault.
Mods, I know you'll probably delete this but I don't think the above is at all offensive?
Link and comment deleted.
Maybe not offensive but lacking in diplomacy.
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Edited by Xileno on 14/06/2023 at 21:56
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As I've said before, I was amazed at the quality of the new(ish) Captur when I test drove one and it totally changed my opinion of Renaults. They went through a bad patch 15-20 years ago, especially with electrics it seems. Even the last generation models may well have been competent, but they looked and felt cheap (I have a Twingo on my drive to prove it). We had one of the new Meganes parked up at work today, and it looked very smart.
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“ SLO, mate, give it a rest, your a bus driver that used to sell second hand cars years ago, if you were that really clued up you'd still be doing it and making a fortune.” Not many making a fortune from flogging used cars these days sadly. I enjoyed my time in the trade, but today being a small time trader is really not viable, you just can’t buy decent stock. Even large chains are failing and all of the family owned main dealers in my area are gone now, these are the guys I bought from locally and the last one to fall was our local Kia dealer. The big chain dealers won’t deal with traders. I think those who’ve bought and sold cars in numbers have an opinion worthy of hearing when it comes to buying cars, even if I do have a natural aversion to wasting money on new examples. You are most welcome to ignore it. Fair point though that I have little to offer anyone buying new, I really don’t take much interest in new cars, they are to me overpriced and over-complex on the whole. There’s not many that appeal to me. But you can certainly see from the past that high end Renaults drop heavily in value from new, maybe they’ve reversed this with the new car by restricting supply, only time will tell.
Deleted last paragraph that makes no sense now the original link above removed. Mod
Edited by Xileno on 14/06/2023 at 22:04
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I know I am not making any meaningful contribution to the thread (no change there then, probably), but I have to chip in and say what a remarkably measured response the above was from SLO. I hope you remain on the forum, I might not agree with your preference for Mk2 Shoguns over the home-grown equivalents :-) but you are bang on the money most of the time and alongside a couple others the contributors I make a point of reading if I see a post.
As to Renault I think you are right. We only need to look at the fallen reputation of once proud Nissan to see what Renault parts are up to. Even in this thread there are two examples of bits failing on modern Renaults.
Better to do what the French do with their domestics, buy in a low spec! It is also easier when it is the national brand, parts supply normally much better provided the relevant OEMs are based in France as well.
I am not sure why a failed head unit should result in a car being off the road though, unless it is for some reason connected to the drive functions.
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“ I hope you remain on the forum, I might not agree with your preference for Mk2 Shoguns over the home-grown equivalents :-)”
Thanks.
Determined to grow a thicker online skin, I’m genuine in that I want to help people and I accept that opinions on what constitutes a good used car do vary a great deal.
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Renault went through a really bad patch with some of their models in the 2000 to 2004 period, mainly MK2 models of the Scenic, Megane and Laguna. I had a Megane of that period and it wasn't too bad but Parkers forum was heaving with woes on these models. The later MK2s were better and the MK3 actually quite good cars. I have no experience of the very latest models except two Capturs as hire cars and liked them both. Very comfortable and far better built than I was expecting.
Edited by Xileno on 14/06/2023 at 22:18
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I know I am not making any meaningful contribution to the thread (no change there then, probably), but I have to chip in and say what a remarkably measured response the above was from SLO. I hope you remain on the forum, I might not agree with your preference for Mk2 Shoguns over the home-grown equivalents :-) but you are bang on the money most of the time and alongside a couple others the contributors I make a point of reading if I see a post.
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I agree. SLOs posts are reasoned, sensible and spring from years of experience at the low end of the market which is where things can be trickiest. His comments are invariably helpful and have saved many people from expensive mistakes.
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Excellent post, may I say - as an extremely occasional and tentative contributor, I was about to express the same thought about SLO and his (as you say) measured response!
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“ seem to remember your lovely Volvo turned out to be a pup and if my memory hasn't failed me you got tucked up on the Honda, wrong tyres fitted, old battery left in the boot etc).”
The Volvo was unlucky, despite doing all the right things it turned out to be a pup, that happens. Fortunately thanks to the mad prices I got pretty much all of my money back on it. The Honda (if you’d bothered to read anything I wrote about it) was a brilliant little car I’d rather have kept. Sadly SWMBO wanted an EV so an EV is now in the drive. The tyres were down to dealer error, again It was a case of walk and leave an excellent example of the car over a set of tyres, I opted to keep it. The battery in the boot caused me no grief at all.
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“as is your insistence that everyone should rush out and buy a Mazda despite never owning one”
I’ve owned several actually, two MX5’s, a 323 1.5 GLX, a 3 1.6 TS and a Mk II 6 2.0 petrol. I’ve flogged loads of them too, with minimal fuss and no major failures. I rate them because in general they’re great. The petrol models are as reliable as equivalent Toyotas but they drive better in my opinion.
Edited by SLO76 on 14/06/2023 at 21:50
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Removed some unnecessary content. Can we please remember to be respectful to other contributors even if we might not agree with what they have written. This is a forum for all to contribute their experiences and opinions and enjoy.
Thanks
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Totally agree with the moderators intervention.
Very few of us own up to our buying mistakes and are totally honest like SLO.
Lets keep the content respectful of other people’s feelings otherwise we will be losing experienced contributors in their droves
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Just picked this thread up, so a bit late, anybody else got a new Austral iconic, have just ordered one and hoping someone else has got some views on them, good or bad.
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If you’re on Facebook, there’s a dedicated Austral group.
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