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What price exclusivity? - badbusdriver

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£33k?

First time I have ever seen a Carver One for sale. And just to be clear, this is a very different proposition to the current electric version which, while faster than some electric city 'cars', will still only do about 55mph.

Interesting to note in the description that it "combines motorcycle-like dynamics with a car-like driving experience". I wonder which part of the tilting body and two seats in tandem the seller considers, car-like?!

Still, if I had the money, I'd have it like a shot!

What price exclusivity? - Xileno

Looks a mean machine. I think it would take getting used to the fact the rear is a lot wider than what you might think when driving forwards. No doubt experience would soon resolve that. If I had a spare £33k lying around I might consider it...

What price exclusivity? - edlithgow

PAH!

I got more exclusivity than that for about 300 quid, and its worth even less.

As well as being one of the very few surviving Skywings, its the second-worst looking car I've ever seen in Taiwan.

(The worst was a few years ago in an aboriginal village in the mountains, where,,,er... different standards apply, and I very much doubt its roadworthy now, if it was then)

To get equivalent head turning torque by spending money, I'd need to buy a Countach, or maybe something even stupider,

Edited by edlithgow on 26/01/2023 at 22:12

What price exclusivity? - badbusdriver

I think it would take getting used to the fact the rear is a lot wider than what you might think when driving forwards.

While I do think it would take some getting used to the driving experience (especially for a non biker), I don't think the width at the rear would be too much of an issue as it is only 1.31m. The cabin is just under 1m wide, so you are only talking about just over 6" of extra width either side. Also, cornering, even at quite modest speeds, results in the roof being closer to the apex of any corner than the rear wheels!.

What price exclusivity? - nellyjak

I like it..!...but not at the price.

Can't see how that that can be worth £33k...£10k would be nearer the mark.

What price exclusivity? - Andrew-T

Looks as if it would be fun to drive, but it also looks as if the designers had full access to the parts bin but didn't quite finish the job. I guess it may suffer from the same difficulty as the Sinclair C5 - becoming invisible among the mass of chunky SUVs ?

What price exclusivity? - John F

Are the '200 models made' all in this country? If so, a much cheaper route to exclusivity would be this somewhat overpriced car......only around 60 on the road in the UK. (and no, it's not mine!)

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211021300302?m...1

What price exclusivity? - 72 dudes

Are the '200 models made' all in this country? If so, a much cheaper route to exclusivity would be this somewhat overpriced car......only around 60 on the road in the UK. (and no, it's not mine!)

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211021300302?m...1

Nice, but the VED and petrol consumption are prohibitive!

And why does the interior remind me of an Aero Mint?

What price exclusivity? - Andrew-T

... only around 60 on the road in the UK. (and no, it's not mine!)

There are plenty of 'special edition' cars available at all sorts of price levels. '60 on the road' is pretty common - I recently sold a 306 Roland Garros, of which about 15 remain, and mine was the single example on the road last summer, the rest were on SORN.

What price exclusivity? - John F

... only around 60 on the road in the UK. (and no, it's not mine!)

There are plenty of 'special edition' cars available at all sorts of price levels. '60 on the road' is pretty common - I recently sold a 306 Roland Garros, of which about 15 remain, and mine was the single example on the road last summer, the rest were on SORN.

There's a big difference between a 'special edition' consisting of slightly different paintwork and upholstery from the mainstream models and a small run of a particular body/powertrain combination.

What price exclusivity? - Adampr

Are the '200 models made' all in this country? If so, a much cheaper route to exclusivity would be this somewhat overpriced car......only around 60 on the road in the UK. (and no, it's not mine!)

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211021300302?m...1

Dear God, what have they done to that poor car?

What price exclusivity? - John F

Are the '200 models made' all in this country? If so, a much cheaper route to exclusivity would be this somewhat overpriced car......only around 60 on the road in the UK. (and no, it's not mine!)

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211021300302?m...1

Dear God, what have they done to that poor car?

Perfected it. A stopgap between the D2 V8 S8 and the D3 V10 S8, it was reputedly one of Ferdinand Piech's favourite cars - an amalgamation of the best bits of Audi Quattro and VW Phaeton. Not much to better it in 2005 below a substantial six figure price tag.

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What price exclusivity? - Engineer Andy

I'd rather buy a nice second hand car and a decent second hand motorbike. You would then have the best of both worlds.

What price exclusivity? - Ethan Edwards

You want exclusive? Round here it's all German cars and Ford's. So my Vauxhall is a rarity. I've seen maybe three other new Mokka's only one electric one.

What price exclusivity? - Metropolis.
Considering how common a sight Vauxhalls used to until quite recently, this is pretty shocking. A shame, I thought they made some pretty good cars over the years.
What price exclusivity? - Adampr
Considering how common a sight Vauxhalls used to until quite recently, this is pretty shocking. A shame, I thought they made some pretty good cars over the years.

The Corsa is the UK's best selling car isn't it?

I've said it before, but there always seems to be something a bit off about Vauxhalls. I speak as someone who's owned a couple, as did my parents. My mum's old Cavalier (1987) was great, but they seemed to decline after that. My dad has a Calibra (4x4, turbo, full leather) and it felt kind of cheap.

What price exclusivity? - Metropolis.
I have fond memories of a v6 auto Omega.. wonderfully smooth power delivery. Astras felt a bit flimsy..

Good point about being best seller, I guess they are the perfect private detectives car given how unnoticed they go.
What price exclusivity? - badbusdriver

I've said it before, but there always seems to be something a bit off about Vauxhalls. I speak as someone who's owned a couple, as did my parents. My mum's old Cavalier (1987) was great, but they seemed to decline after that. My dad has a Calibra (4x4, turbo, full leather) and it felt kind of cheap.

IMO (and experience), the quality of the interior plastics on all mainstream cars were not up to much till the 4th gen Golf appeared, immediately making the interior plastics of other makes, including some higher up the social scale, look and feel cheap. This did not of course make the 4th gen Golf a brilliant car, but it forced other manufacturers to at least try to up their game in order to mach the showroom appeal of the Golf.

Vauxhalls (IMO) are very rarely anywhere near the worst when it comes to quality. We had a new Meriva in 2011 and while there were one or two problems, they were design rather than quality related. I'd say the build quality in general was noticeably better than what you'd find on a Ford of the time.

I wouldn't turn down the chance to buy a Corsa with the 130PS Isuzu turbo diesel. In a trim other than SRI it would be quite the sleeper, not to mention a supremely long legged mile muncher!.

What price exclusivity? - newguy2015

I’m not sure my trusty independent garage would be able to service it!

What price exclusivity? - corax
I wouldn't turn down the chance to buy a Corsa with the 130PS Isuzu turbo diesel. In a trim other than SRI it would be quite the sleeper, not to mention a supremely long legged mile muncher!.

I test drove an Ibiza 1.9PD (100 version) some years ago. It was an effortless cruiser, but that engine made itself known, with vibration through the controls and very audible at slow speeds, and lots of road noise. It also understeered quite a bit due to that heavy engine, and ride wasn't great. Best car I drove was a Passat Highline with the same engine, albeit a 130 version, because it felt much better balanced in that chassis, and was a refined and rapid cruiser. Very comfortable seats too.

I don't suppose any of that would bother you because I know that you like small cars. Never driven an Isuzu powered car, but they might be more refined.

What price exclusivity? - Adampr
I wouldn't turn down the chance to buy a Corsa with the 130PS Isuzu turbo diesel. In a trim other than SRI it would be quite the sleeper, not to mention a supremely long legged mile muncher!.

I test drove an Ibiza 1.9PD (100 version) some years ago. It was an effortless cruiser, but that engine made itself known, with vibration through the controls and very audible at slow speeds, and lots of road noise. It also understeered quite a bit due to that heavy engine, and ride wasn't great. Best car I drove was a Passat Highline with the same engine, albeit a 130 version, because it felt much better balanced in that chassis, and was a refined and rapid cruiser. Very comfortable seats too.

I don't suppose any of that would bother you because I know that you like small cars. Never driven an Isuzu powered car, but they might be more refined.

I've driven an Isuzu powered Lotus Elan. That certainly wasn't very refined, but it was made of plastic and the turbocharger kicked it at inopportune moments. Pulling out of a junction was like walking 100 dogs that have just seen a rabbit.

What price exclusivity? - badbusdriver

I've driven an Isuzu powered Lotus Elan. That certainly wasn't very refined, but it was made of plastic and the turbocharger kicked it at inopportune moments. Pulling out of a junction was like walking 100 dogs that have just seen a rabbit.

I wonder if maybe the example you drove had been modified/messed about in some way or other?. Contemporary road tests generally agreed that the turbo version had exceptional road manners (no mention of excessive turbo lag), was very effective at getting its power down and was a devastatingly quick machine over winding country roads. But it was criticised because its overwhelming competence made it seem a little dull.

But going back to the Isuzu diesel, the Meriva we had was fitted with the same engine as the (much lighter) Corsa I mentioned. While its gearing (a six speed manual) was overly long, it did have some muscle. As for refinement, I don't recall the engine having noticeable vibration or being particularly loud in the Meriva, though that doesn't mean the Corsa would be the same.

I've plenty of experience with the VAG 1.9 turbo diesel, in both pre and post PD guise, through working at a VW dealer 2000-2005. Definitely a bit vocal, but they are cracking engines all the same. I really liked the Polo 1.4 3 cyl turbo diesel when they first came out in the facelifted third gen car. They only had 75bhp, but the torque on offer more than made up for that. They had quite a lot of vibration at idle and low revs (absolutely fine once up to speed though), didn't bother me one bit though, I felt it gave the car some much needed character!.