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All - Toyota - mcb100
Akio Toyoda is ‘stepping down’ as chief executive of Toyota after 14 years.
His reign brought a bit of fun back to the range with GT86, new Supra and a couple of quick Yaris’, but there is speculation that he’s moving aside for missing the boat on EV.
Toyota is going from industry leaders with Prius to playing a massive game of catch up with battery electric vehicles.
Maybe this development will bring Toyota’s hydrogen experiment to an end.

Edited by mcb100 on 26/01/2023 at 20:34

All - Toyota - Metropolis.
I sincerely hope that is not the reason, Hydrogen is a much better and cleaner technology!
All - Toyota - alan1302
I sincerely hope that is not the reason, Hydrogen is a much better and cleaner technology!

It's not ready though and whilst Toyota have been following that they are getting behind other makes - it's a shame as Hydrogen could have been a good replacement for petrol/diesel but it's not ready for mainstream use.

All - Toyota - RT
I sincerely hope that is not the reason, Hydrogen is a much better and cleaner technology!

It's not ready though and whilst Toyota have been following that they are getting behind other makes - it's a shame as Hydrogen could have been a good replacement for petrol/diesel but it's not ready for mainstream use.

Hydrogen is probably the solution for site trucks but not for mainstream cars - having established a huge lead in hybrid cars, Toyota needs to catch up fast.

All - Toyota - Metropolis.
I think all that is missing is hydrogen infrastructure, Toyota have already made perfectly viable Hydrogen fuel cell cars. I think Honda did at one time as well.
All - Toyota - bathtub tom

Perhaps they were responsible for the small size of the 12V (AGM) battery that's been causing so many problems across the range?

All - Toyota - Adampr

Presumably, if Toyota wanted to make a BEV, they could get the kit from Mazda, having sold them Hybrid tech.

I think the first wave of BEVs are nearing obsolescence now and something else will erge soon.

All - Toyota - paul 1963

Presumably, if Toyota wanted to make a BEV, they could get the kit from Mazda, having sold them Hybrid tech.

I'm a bit confused with this, the electric Berlingo we have at work clearly has the Toyota 'T' marked on the under bonnet components?

All - Toyota - mcb100
‘I'm a bit confused with this, the electric Berlingo we have at work clearly has the Toyota 'T' marked on the under bonnet components?’

Toyota sell a rebadged version as the ProAce City Electric, so there’s presumably a bit of parts sharing going on.
All - Toyota - Terry W

Hydrogen may have a role in specialist applications, but it has missed the boat for general vehicle use.

It is fundamentally less efficient than battery power due to additional steps of electrolysis, compression, fuel cell to create electricity. Overall loss is ~70%. Benefit is greater range and energy density.

However the developed world has a complete electrical infrastructure - capacity will need to increase but the basic infrastructure and technology already exits.

There are currently just 15 hydrogen refuelling stations in the UK at present. Having a long range and quick re-fuelling loses its attraction when you may have to drive 100 miles to find a filling station.

All - Toyota - mcb100
It’s actually fewer than that. Open, today, for car use are two in Aberdeen, one in Sheffield and four within the M25. Shell gave it up as a bad job late last year.
If anyone thinks finding an EV fast charger is difficult, try H2.

Edited by mcb100 on 27/01/2023 at 12:05

All - Toyota - Bolt

capacity will need to increase but the basic infrastructure and technology already exits.

capacity is a long way behind, the tech has done for a while but the cabling and charging points need a lot lot more than we have, and I am of the opinion Hydrogen will make headway eventually while messing around with electric cables

All - Toyota - mcb100
Which hydrogen cars are you going to drive?
There are currently two in the UK, Toyota Mirai and Hyundai NEXO (available to businesses only). Combined, they sold in 16195 units worldwide in the first 10 months of 2022. We bought 267,203 BEV’s in the UK alone last year.
Where are the manufacturers with serious plans to put hydrogen cars into production? It’s not happening, no matter how much you don’t like battery powered cars.
All - Toyota - Bolt

no matter how much you don’t like battery powered cars.

I said this before, anytime someone mentions something about a possible problem with electric cars- charging points not being installed fast enough or other problem that occurs around charging, some decide that the poster dislikes battery powered cars

I won`t be driving any EVs or Hydrogen cars until at least the cars range is much better than currently and prices are a lot lower than now, I don`t dislike them.

I just cannot see millions of mains powered cars charging in the street or on garage forecourts no matter how much people push the idea... or even the grid taking the load which may be interesting in itself ;)

All - Toyota - Engineer Andy

A report (well, opinion piece) by a non-technical journo in today's Telegraph (quite rightly) got roasted in the comments section when he said that Toyota's fortunes would fail becaue they aren't going 'full in' on EVs and sticking to hybrids.

Their more cautious approach has worked for decades now (with some hiccups along the way), and I suspect they are thinking that the tide of the ramping up of the change to EVs will have to be significantly scaled back (to at least what it was before our [dear] leaders went mad [or were pushed into] and brought the already overly optimistic deadline of 2040 for banning new ICE cars back to 2030.

All - Toyota - Ian_SW

Objectively, Toyota's first EV isn't really that different to VW group's or the various offerings from Stellantis. It was also only about a year or so later, probably because Toyota spent longer testing it first.

I'd take a punt that in 8-10 years time though an ageing BZ4X will be more reliable and have more life left in its battery than a similarly aged ID3 or Mokka-E.

Also, because Toyota already had hybrids as most of their range, commercially they didn't need to rush out EVs (or badly implemented plug in hybrids) just to keep their average CO2 emissions within the government / EU limits.

All - Toyota - Engineer Andy

Objectively, Toyota's first EV isn't really that different to VW group's or the various offerings from Stellantis. It was also only about a year or so later, probably because Toyota spent longer testing it first.

I'd take a punt that in 8-10 years time though an ageing BZ4X will be more reliable and have more life left in its battery than a similarly aged ID3 or Mokka-E.

Also, because Toyota already had hybrids as most of their range, commercially they didn't need to rush out EVs (or badly implemented plug in hybrids) just to keep their average CO2 emissions within the government / EU limits.

Quite right. many of the others react to political changes; Toyota make decisions based on real world data (though taking into account current and future laws).

Their foray into hydrogen fuel cell tech will still prove useful because those cars are still EVs - just powered by fuel cells rather than traditional batteries. The main difference is where the tech goes in the car - the drivetrain should be quite similar to EVs.

I imagine it must've cost most other makes a lot of money to R&D so many EVs in such a short space of time - like with Dieselgate, you have to wonder what corners they have cut or 'other things' they've done (e.g. artificially raised prices of ICE cars to fund it by making more of the 'chip shortage' and general inflationary pressures than is really the case) in order to 'prove their fealty' to the green gods in positions of political power.

All - Toyota - Shaz {p}

I hope Toyota continue with the fun to drive theme, and continue to improve styling. The new Prius also looks really nice, shame its not coming to the UK, we also missed out on the GR Corolla. I hope they bring back the Celica 4 or (Rwd) and maybe MR2.

All - Toyota - JonestHon

There are so many issues to sort with BEV and the infrastructure, so maybe Toyota are wrong or maybe they are right to be cautious with BEV, anyhoo, CNBC made a good piece about this recently youtu.be/PeXpY-p5NsM

All - Toyota - sammy1

If you were a car manufacturer looking at the EV situation in the UK I would be very cautious.

I wonder what the situation is in Europe with a much larger area to cover with a charging network. Whatever I do not think 2030 is going to work for us

All - Toyota - Bolt

Whatever I do not think 2030 is going to work for us

I agree, I have seen a lot of new EVs around but nothing compared to Hybrid cars, Toyota and Hyundai seem the most popular in my area anyway, with the odd MG around so I can see Hybrids being the most popular up to 2035 ish imo.