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Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Xileno

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I'm sorry folks but I've hidden the Jaguar thread posted by 'focussed' as I'm not happy with the copyright position. I need clarification from the site Editor.

My understanding is that copying articles doesn’t pass copyright, particularly if it's come from a paid subscription service.

An external link wouldn't be a problem (such as the one I posted in the stolen Landrover thread) as that's simply a redirect to the hosting website but that's not an option here as it's behind the paywall...

Edited by Xileno on 07/01/2023 at 22:27

Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Adampr

And I'd just typed out a reply on my phone. In short, that's what happens when you buy a Jag.

Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Metropolis.
Xileno, perhaps you could replace the main text of the post with a link to the pay walled article?
Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Xileno

Link in top post now for those who subscribe.

Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Metropolis.
This one gives a bit of a summary www.thesun.co.uk/motors/20971431/ive-ditched-my-el.../
Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - focussed

"I'm sorry folks but I've hidden the Jaguar thread posted by 'focussed' as I'm not happy with the copyright position. I need clarification from the site Editor"

What is the problem?

Giles Coren got paid by the Times for scribbling the article.

I paid the sub. to access the article.

And as parts of it have been quoted by the Sun and published by them, not behind a paywall, I think you are being overcautious.

Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Xileno

I may be overcautious but I am also keen that the website does not get into legal difficulties, which has happened in the past with what people have posted, both potential copyright issues and libel.

Your subscription gives you the right to view the article, it does not give you the right to post the entire article on another website without the author's permission. HJ would effectively become a republisher of copyrighted material.

The Sun article has a few selected quotes, it is not the entire article which I assume your post was, since I can't see behind the paywall.

Personally I think it's dodgy but I will email the HJ Editor and if he's happy then I will release the hidden thread.

Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - John F

I take The Times and thought this piece from their jokey nepo scribe would have been libellous had it not been an account of personal experience.

Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Engineer Andy

I may be overcautious but I am also keen that the website does not get into legal difficulties, which has happened in the past with what people have posted, both potential copyright issues and libel.

Your subscription gives you the right to view the article, it does not give you the right to post the entire article on another website without the author's permission. HJ would effectively become a republisher of copyrighted material.

The Sun article has a few selected quotes, it is not the entire article which I assume your post was, since I can't see behind the paywall.

Personally I think it's dodgy but I will email the HJ Editor and if he's happy then I will release the hidden thread.

Indeed. Given how small this site is (and I suspect how fragile its financial position is under the current climate), the last thing it needs is an expensive lawsuit from a major news outlet that could also scare off advertisers and where some of the journos who also work for MSM ones could (IMHO) be 'required to choose' between HJ and their 'main' employer.

Best to get around that by either:

1. Posting your own precis of the article in your own words, or

2. Waiting until a free, third-party news aggregator site is allowed to republish the article. Some Telegraph, Mail, Guardian, Indie and Express articles are often done so on MSN a day or three later, though I admitedly rarely see Times ones on there. Of course, that often means somewone else getting to the proverbial 'punch' sooner than you do.

Some sites republish part of articles in their own daily or weekly 'news roundup', likely with (unpaid) permission because it is effectively free advertising (a 'taster') for the originitors site, including some major news outlets.

You still have to be a subscriber to read the full article on the latter type. Best suited to up-and-coming news outlets or specialist ones that don't charge for access (though may require you to be a member like this forum), where the republishing may be in full, but just not every article.

Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Adampr

I totally agree on the salient issues, but I think the combined might of VW, Mercedes, Allianz and Renault (who own the site) could probably cope. Whether they would tolerate a small group of British motoring enthusiasts attracting such a case is a different matter.

Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Xileno

"Whether they would tolerate a small group of British motoring enthusiasts attracting such a case is a different matter."

I don't think they would and I suspect if there was any serious legal action threatened they would just close the Backroom which I hope none of us want.

I've sent an email to the HJ Editor, let's wait for his response.

For now I don't think there's any more to add so I'm locking this for the time being.

Jaguar i Pace thread hidden - Xileno

I've received a reply from the HJ Editor. Sorry but the thread must remain hidden.

You cannot share written articles without permission from the owner.

Posting a link is fine but copying an article and posting it somewhere else is a clear infringement of copyright. For more information, see: https://www.gov.uk/copyright