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Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - ambient

I posted a couple of months back regarding my Citroen C4, which had free play detected in the steering rack. It was established that there was play in the rack, and the rod ends were completely fine. The play was described as a little more than 'slight', but ok to drive, and advised to wait for the MOT.

MOT inspection was carried out by a different garage, and it passed with just one advisory. The advisory was 'Steering rack has slight free play detected at steering wheel Both inner drum sticks'.

Question—What are the inner drum sticks, and can these be replaced instead of the whole rack? I was told by a different garage the whole rack would have to be replaced to solve the play, and due to the cost it wouldn't be worth it. I'm now wondering if this is something that can be addressed?

I can feel some play in the steering wheel, however the car doesn't pull or wander when driving or braking. I notice it clunks over bumps and potholes, and there is a creaking noise when turning into roads from stationary position. The car was a freeby, and due to big dents and scuffs isn't worth anything, so wondering how to treat the situation.

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - gordonbennet

I have before now peeled back the rubber bellows at the rack ends and greased within, as with repacking CV joints this might give the rack another year or three service, you have nothing to lose, i'm supposing drum sticks to means the threaded ends each end of the rack which the TREs screw onto, i don't think it means play in the input shaft from the steering column but happy to be wrong, again no harm in feeding some grease in from that end too, and it never hurts to lube the joint at the bottom of the steering column especailly if that is exposed to weather, they can start to seize on some vehicles producing some odd effects on the steering, ironically this can be an issue with Landcruisers.

Whether any of the parts within can be replaced with the rack in situ i haven't a clue, gut feeling no even if parts are available but you never know, its been donkeys years since i stripped one and that was before electric powered racks were a thing, something else i'm trying hard to avoid along with umpteen other items of progress backwards :-).

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - bathtub tom

The last time I was inside a steering rack was on a Triumph Herald. The ball joint inside the bellows could be adjusted with shims. That rack was filled with oil.

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - gordonbennet

The last time I was inside a steering rack was on a Triumph Herald. The ball joint inside the bellows could be adjusted with shims. That rack was filled with oil.

Cool, bit like Landcrab top and bottom ball joints, not the filled with oil bit but the shimming.

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - ambient

Thanks for the advice.

If I'm not yet experiencing wandering, or excessive steering behaviours, then my plan is to continue using it. The MOT did say slight play, and was advisory, only done last month, so I'm going to trust it's ok until it gives me reason not to think so.

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - elekie&a/c doctor
Steering rack tie rod bars about £30 a pair on free- bay .
Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - ambient
Steering rack tie rod bars about £30 a pair on free- bay .

And the bars are what they've referred to as the 'drum sticks'?
Could you DM me a link for these? Presumably the bars are replaceable.
Garage implied the rack would need replacing, but maybe I can get a second opinion and see if these components can be replaced.

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - edlithgow

Dunno this car, but are you sure this "inner drum sticks" jive is

(a) Part of your steering rack (non) problem?

(b) includes "sticks" as part of a compound noun, rather than as a verb, which is how I would read it?

AFAIK a "drum stick" is a component of a chicken (or a turkey, seasonal or what?) transmission, or a percussive actuator on a more-or-less musical instrument. It could be part of a car (they do have "wishbones" after all), but if it is I've never heard of it.

I would read this as a separate fault, perhaps relating to an inner drum supplying handbrake functionality on disc brake rear wheels. I understand these quite often stick.

But I assume you could have (or have) confirmed or denied this interpretation by asking the author?

Edited by edlithgow on 04/01/2023 at 11:36

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - ambient

Dunno this car, but are you sure this "inner drum sticks" jive is

(a) Part of your steering rack (non) problem?

(b) includes "sticks" as part of a compound noun, rather than as a verb, which is how I would read it?

AFAIK a "drum stick" is a component of a chicken (or a turkey, seasonal or what?) transmission, or a percussive actuator on a more-or-less musical instrument. It could be part of a car (they do have "wishbones" after all), but if it is I've never heard of it.

I would read this as a separate fault, perhaps relating to an inner drum supplying handbrake functionality on disc brake rear wheels. I understand these quite often stick.

But I assume you could (or have) confirmed or denied this interpretation by asking the author?

It was listed like this, under the one heading related to steering: "Steering rack has slight free play detected at steering wheel Both inner drum sticks". To me, that indicates it was a description on part of the steering component. Maybe the inspector forgot the name of inner tie rod and described it as an inner drum stick.


The inspection was done at a different testing center to the garage I dropped it off at, but I will get in touch with the garage that carried out the MOT inspection, and see if they can enlighten me about the drum stick.

I just want to rule out, that the play isn't coming from the inner rod, which to me, seems replaceable without replacing the rack.

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - gordonbennet

Seeing as how elekiedoc (as often) has found the parts needed, it does appear to be a serviceable repair.

few garages want to get involved in repairs these days, it takes time to strip clean inspect and replace individual parts, it could be the case after a lot of work that wear is found in the outer casing not just the inner component and how many customers would be happy to be presented with a bill for 2 hours stripping out only to need a new complete unit anyway.

case in point, i had an alternator failure couple of years ago, the only non friction/sacrifial part thats ever failed on any of my Toyota 4x4's, i nipped the offending alt down to the local sparky who pointed out a crack developing in the outer casing which i hadn't seen, as it turns out he had a Lucas recon unit there within the hour for about £124 which i bunged on, had the crack been internal and unseen until he spent half an hour stripping the thing out, i'd have had another bill to pay for his time, sometimes its only eceonomical for us handy home mechanics to get involved in repairing stuff.

Edited by gordonbennet on 04/01/2023 at 11:50

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - edlithgow

Capital letter on "Both" implies a new sentence (though there is no full stop), which MIGHT imply a new topic, though other faults listed under separate headings would weaken that interpretation.

OTOH, if one was being a Grammar Nazi, on my interpretation it should be

".Both inner drums stick"

but perhaps that's asking too much of an MOT inspectors technical writing skills

"Maybe the inspector forgot the name of inner tie rod and described it as an inner drum stick." is asking far too little of an MOT inspectors technical writing skills, though it would be (inappropriately) creative writing.

If I was still teaching I could use this as an "See, grammar DOES matter" and "Words have Meaning "example, but maybe not in Taiwan.

Edited by edlithgow on 04/01/2023 at 12:27

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - edlithgow

Well, knock me dahn wiv a (chicken) fevva!

www.burtonpower.com/steering-tie-rod-drumstick-for...l

So it is a synonym for a tie rod.

Should have checked before mouthing off.

Being a real Grammar Nazi, should have been "Steering rack has slight free play detected at steering wheel in both inner drumsticks", (drumstick is one word) but thats pushing it rather.

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Edited by edlithgow on 04/01/2023 at 21:33

Citroen C4 - Citroen C4 08 - Inner Drum Sticks? - ambient

Well, knock me dahn wiv a (chicken) fevva!

www.burtonpower.com/steering-tie-rod-drumstick-for...l

So it is a synonym for a tie rod.

Should have checked before mouthing off.

Being a real Grammar Nazi, should have been "Steering rack has slight free play detected at steering wheel in both inner drumsticks", (drumstick is one word) but thats pushing it rather.

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With it being ford, perhaps it's American inspired terminology.

That being said, if the play has been found in the inner tie-rod, presumably there is a chance of replacing these components without the need for replacing the whole rack?

It seems the inner rods are replaceable. The first mechanics didn't specify where the play was in the rack, or a reason why the inner-rods couldn't be replaced.