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BMW X5 - BMW - Palcouk

FWIW I handle the paperwork for a BMW specialist who is authorised by BMW to service to their specs to retain any warranty, just processed 2 seperate services for cars within warranty that BMW had refused warranty repair as the drivers had had the vehicles mapped, not driven hard, mileage below 20k cost of engine rebuild for each +£21k

I often see other repairs of +£10k for low mileage vehicles

BMW X5 - BMW - Cris_on_the_gas

If I have read correctly what you have stated is that BMW are refusing to honour the warranty because the cars have been mapped.

Guess it is down to exactly what has been mapped and could it be proven to cause the issues. If not and it was my car I would be paying for the repair with your specialist and chasing BMW through the small claims court for the cost.

BMW X5 - BMW - Adampr

It doesn't sound unreasonable for BMW to refuse to pay to repair an engine that's been messed about with.

BMW X5 - BMW - gordonbennet

Who can blame BMW rejecting claims on engines that have been tinkered with, and how does an owner prove or not that a vehicle has or hasn't been driven hard* , common sense tells you the remaps were done for a reason and the chances are on a vehicle like the X5 it wasn't done to get more mpg.

*My last new and still current truck was a test vehicle, monitored remotely by the maker with reports forwarded to my fleet manager on a weekly basis, incredible just how much information vehicles record these days.

BMW X5 - BMW - elekie&a/c doctor
Most late Bmw engines are fragile in standard tune without any aftermarket map .
BMW X5 - BMW - badbusdriver

Guess it is down to exactly what has been mapped and could it be proven to cause the issues.

Not really, the car was remapped (modified) to extract more power. Which in turn means all BMW need to say is that the engine was exceeding the tolerances for which it was designed to operate within.

I would be paying for the repair with your specialist and chasing BMW through the small claims court for the cost.

Here is the relevant section from BMW's warranty:

Neither the Manufacturer, the selling BMW Centre or any BMW Group company in the UK can be held responsible for modifications to the vehicle which lead to defects, unless those modifications have been approved by the Manufacturer, an Authorised BMW Centre or a BMW Service Authorised Workshop.

So essentially it would be down to the owner of the car to prove that the remapping was not the cause of the engine failure.

Good luck with that!

Edited by badbusdriver on 06/12/2022 at 17:39

BMW X5 - BMW - Engineer Andy

It doesn't sound unreasonable for BMW to refuse to pay to repair an engine that's been messed about with.

Indeed - I warned off (seemingly without success) a new (to them, it was second hand, but, if I recall, still under warranty) Mazda3 owner who wanted their 2L (120PS) engine remapped to give the performance of the 165PS version.

For some cars, like that one, if done correctly, its no problem, but I'd always be wary of doing so because, like in the BMW cases shown on this thread, the manufacturer has excellent grounds to invalidate the warranty unless the work is done via an approved outlet (rare), especially when goodwill on major engine problems often extends beyond the normal warranty period of the car.

The other issue is that often the person wanting the remap is trying to get around the extra insurance premium they would otherwise have to pay if they'd bought the uprated engine spec version of the car, and thus if that fact got back to the insurer, it would to void their policy and likely put them on a blacklist that would bump up any future premium by a significant amount, never mind open themselves up to fraud charges or serious consequences after an accident claim.

I bet this sort of thing goes on a lot these days, especially amongst the 'yoof' market, where insurance premiums are already very high.

BMW X5 - BMW - John F

I thought it was common knowledge that if you coax more power out of an engine it is more likely to fail sooner. Mr Koenigsegg gets over 200hp per litre from his engines, but I wonder how long they are expected to last.

BMW X5 - BMW - badbusdriver

Mr Koenigsegg gets over 200hp per litre from his engines, but I wonder how long they are expected to last.

The Maserati Ghibli Cup was making a reliable (assuming it is maintained correctly) 165bhp per litre back in 1996. So 200bhp per litre nearly a quarter of a century later is not necessarily going to result in unreliability, depends on how well it has been engineered.

But the key difference is that anyone in a position to be able to afford one of Mr Koenigsegg's cars are not going to struggle paying for a premature engine rebuild/replacment!