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Changed headings to Citroen, hopefully less confusing for the Search tool ;-)
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I think you need to consider that the 1.6 focus engine is pretty much indestructible. Both the engines in the Citroen and Dacia are fragile and not known for their longevity. Can’t see how a small amount of rust would necessitate a change of vehicle.
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Early versions of the 1.2 turbo used by PSA (now Stellantis) did have issues. Supposedly fixed now, but I'm not sure up to which age of car would be affected. Also, and I only bring this up because the stereotype of older folk is that they like their trips to B&Q, garden centres etc!, but I believe the rear seat in the C4 Cactus doesn't 'split fold', it's all or nothing. So you can't have a rear passenger and part of the rear seat folded.
The 0.9TCE in the Dacia is a Renault engine and doesn't have that great a reputation either.
I can well understand him wanting a car with a higher hip point, but at the age his budget would dictate, I wouldn't be keen on the Citroen, nor would I be keen on the Dacia with that engine.
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I'd suggest either Hyundai ix20 or Kia Venga (essentially the same car bar minor styling and trim differences) 1.4 or 1.6 petrol. £7k is enough to get into a 2015-2016 car with reasonable miles. Very reliable, taller seat height, decent space in the cabin and boot (more than either Cactus or Sandero Stepway) but only a little longer than a Fiesta.
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Another suggestion which is a bit more quirky looking than the ix20/Venga (but shares most mechanical components) is the Kia Soul. It would be a year or two older though, probably around 2014. Just be wary of high spec cars with huge wheels, not only does this compromise the ride comfort, but obviously they will cost more to replace.
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C4 Cactus
If it was between the two, yes
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C4 Cactus
If it was between the two, yes
Can l ask the two of you (DaveyAdam) as to why you think that?
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The Citroen has more character and reviews have something positive to say, particularly around comfort and refinement. Stepway reviews major on price and the overall 'adequacy' of it as a car. It could be considered a more solid choice but, ultimately, it's just an old Clio so it's still unlikely to be 100% trouble free.
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The old shape Sandero stepway is a bit cramped , the c4 cactus is not
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Saw the chap again this afternoon. Fed back some of the comments you guys had made. Looks like he's casting the net wider & perhaps coming up with another grand or so to add to his budget, so now up to around 8K ish.
Another motor he mentioned today was the Suzuki SX4 S-CROSS. In addition to the 1.6 engine, it looks like 8K would start to get him into the 1.0 Boosterjet 3 cylinder engine. In terms of timing belts/chains, l know the 1.6 is chain driven, not sure as to the Boosterjet.
Anyone have any experience of these? Or could confirm the belt/chain question?
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I don't know the answer, but an SX4 S-cross would likely be a lot more reliable than the other two
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Neither:
Dacia full of sharp bits of metal.
C4 Cactus? Designed for people with no taste and no knowledge of cars - hence styling.
Buy a 2wd drive car and use All Season tyres...
4WD cars with summer tyres are as useful in snow as a chocolate teapot.
PS I drive a 2WD car with ASTs and enjoy watching others flounder in what little snow we do do get (compared to 30 years ago when winters had lots of ice and 1 meter drifts in our yard.)
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Would the snow stop the teapot from melting?
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Dacia full of sharp bits of metal.
Hmm, my mate had a Sandero Stepway of the age the OP's neighbour would be looking at, and while the plastic was hard, shiny and had some sharp edges, there were no sharp bits of metal made themselves known during the 2 years he had it.
C4 Cactus? Designed for people with no taste and no knowledge of cars - hence styling.
The OP's neighbour "likes the quirky design of the Cactus" (as do i), so what exactly are you saying about him and his tastes?
Buy a 2wd drive car and use All Season tyres...
4WD cars with summer tyres are as useful in snow as a chocolate teapot.
PS I drive a 2WD car with ASTs and enjoy watching others flounder in what little snow we do do get (compared to 30 years ago when winters had lots of ice and 1 meter drifts in our yard.)
Why is this relevant?. Neither the C4 Cactus or Sandero Stepway are available with 4wd and only certain versions of the SX4 S-Cross are. But no mention has been made by the OP re his neighbour wanting 4wd or extra traction and grip in winter weather?.
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Might be worth looking at a Captur. It sits a little higher on the road than most cars. Others will know the details but it's sure to share some bits and pieces with the Dacia but might have slightly better trim.
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Vitara or s cross (from 2015 ) is a good shout . They’re all chain drive apart from the fiat Diesel engine models . 1.6 petrol is a very durable engine . The 1litre booster jet only ran for around a year . 1.4 booster is possibly the pick of the bunch , but I don’t think you’ll get one for your £8k
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Vitara or s cross (from 2015 ) is a good shout . They’re all chain drive apart from the fiat Diesel engine models . 1.6 petrol is a very durable engine . The 1litre booster jet only ran for around a year . 1.4 booster is possibly the pick of the bunch , but I don’t think you’ll get one for your £8k
Thanks all for your input.
The docs reply confirms what l, with a little research, found with only relatively few diesels being belt driven.
l agree, the 4 cylinder 1.4 booster would be the stand out, but at a higher premium.
l personally agree with this chap as to the belt/chain consideration. In the overall scale/price of a car purchase, it may to relatively small & a chain drive doesn't guarantee to be problem free. However, even cars such as the Focus, at an independent garage, are in the region of £800 to replace.
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Vitara or s cross (from 2015 ) is a good shout . They’re all chain drive apart from the fiat Diesel engine models . 1.6 petrol is a very durable engine . The 1litre booster jet only ran for around a year . 1.4 booster is possibly the pick of the bunch , but I don’t think you’ll get one for your £8k
Thanks all for your input.
The docs reply confirms what l, with a little research, found with only relatively few diesels being belt driven.
l agree, the 4 cylinder 1.4 booster would be the stand out, but at a higher premium.
l personally agree with this chap as to the belt/chain consideration. In the overall scale/price of a car purchase, it may be relatively small & a chain drive doesn't guarantee to be problem free. However, even cars such as the Focus, at an independent garage, are in the region of £800 to replace.
Should have added the Focus ecoboost!
Edited by chesterfieldhouse on 04/12/2022 at 14:44
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Should have added the Focus ecoboost!
Ford 1.0 ecoboost Another cambelt in oil engine and earlier versions had cooling issues that usually wrote the engine off. My independent says the cambelt is a nightmare to do as they were originally designed to last the life of the engine so it's not a straightforward job. I was told to avoid buying one! (I'd eyed up the new Puma. How about another newer Ford 1.6?
The Suzuki 1.6 is a fab engine and there should be some within the budget specified. It's a bad time to buy though as prices of new and used cars are sky high still. I think the market will eventually correct a bit eventually with bigger discounts on new cars and a price correction on used cars.
Edited by Big John on 13/12/2022 at 12:49
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You need to be careful when buying any ford eco boost 1.0 engine from before 2020; there are still regular tales of woe at the local garage with 2nd owners of cars with eco boosts requiring major work.
Ford don’t take any interest; consumers should do likewise with ford products.
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As a matter of interest.................the chap has picked up a Suzuki SX4 S -Cross, 1.6 petrol, 14 plate, with 48K on the clock. He's very happy with it & managed to stick within his original budget of 6-7K, with the car at 6.5K.
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