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Why boot size lin litres? - movilogo

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

Why boot size lin litres? - Andrew-T

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there! A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

Not necessarily, when you have to allow for sloping sides, curved tailgate, or intrusions from rear suspension, not to mention the loading aperture. The available volume can be useful when carrying a load of beanbags or fleeces, for example ... :-)

Why boot size lin litres? - badbusdriver

At some point during the average persons ownership of a car they may find themselves trying to fit a TV or fridge in there, but I find it difficult to believe any other than a tiny percentage would actually choose one car over another based on that possibility. Also, as there are so many different sizes of TV's, and Fridges, how on earth would your idea work?. By contrast, a litre (of milk for example) is a litre and most folk can visualise that because we all buy it (or an alternative, also sold in litres).

Why boot size lin litres? - HGV ~ P Valentine

Prob a European thing

Why boot size lin litres? - Engineer Andy

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

That might be fine if they were exact cuboid shape, but the vast majority (other than flat bed trucks are not, so a volumetric figure is given. Sure, they could've chose square meters (likely previously square feet or cubic inches, as the Americans probably still use), but litres is fine.

You are right about the lack of other measurements, which I think are really useful, such as the boot aperture (especially for smaller saloons like mine, where the boot itself is physically larger than that of the hatchback version of the car (and by 20%) but it cannot fit in larger cube-shaped boxes because the boot aperture is not sufficiently large (as it is on the hatch version).

Similarly with the boot widths (minimum between the wheel arches/fuel pipe and the larger one that accommodates things like golf bags), heights and depths. Boot heights are very important these days because many are now artificially raised in order to accommodate the spare wheel/tyre or ICE (e.g. CD changer), plus the overall boot volume includes the underboot 'storage' area, which isn't much use if you want to store large items above it.

I noticed that when I looked for a similar replacement for my Mazda3 saloon in 2017, with the newest version having a larger boot in terms of area but with a far larger underboot area and a shallower main boot area, reducing the effective boot area I could use for my holiday stuff.

If I get another similar sized car, it'll more likely be a CX-30 (or equivalent for another make) than a 3 fastback (saloon) because of the boot issues of the latter, especially as the CX-30 is very similar in all other respects, including boot size (about 60L bigger than the 3 hatch version, only 20 less than the saloon and more than my 16yo car's boot capacity). Shame really, given how good looking the fastback is.

Probably why more and more people are getting SUVs / crossovers, other than the higher driving position.

Why boot size lin litres? - Crickleymal

Try this website. It's for disabled customers but gives virtually every dimension you'd need to know.

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/car...B

Why boot size lin litres? - RT

Litres are a common form of SI units, used throughout the world for volume measures - most sales brochures include the maximum length, maximum width and maximum height but intrusions or sloping panels way restrict that volume.

Why boot size lin litres? - Brit_in_Germany

Metric, rather than SI. After the great vote, perhaps in the UK they should be forced to use the perch.

Why boot size lin litres? - Xileno

I find the shape rather than the size important. When I had the Megane MK2 (all but disappeared now but the one with the big bottom), I found the shape annoying. You could put something in thinking there was plenty of space and then find the hatch would not close as the angled shape of it would easily foul things.

Why boot size lin litres? - gordonbennet

There wouldn't dare put measurements, because most modern estates are utterly pointless, being slightly longer hatchbacks in most cases, form over function with form failing dismally due to so many being goppingly ugly.

Why boot size lin litres? - Andrew-T

Litres are a common form of SI units, used throughout the world for volume measures - most sales brochures include the maximum length, maximum width and maximum height but intrusions or sloping panels way restrict that volume.

That would have been (very) approximately correct back in the day of the rectangular Volvo estate :-)

Why boot size lin litres? - Crickleymal

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/car...B

Why boot size lin litres? - Engineer Andy

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/car...B

Quite a lot of makes and cars aren't included, such as Mazdas.

Why boot size lin litres? - alan1302

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/car...B

Quite a lot of makes and cars aren't included, such as Mazdas.

So this page does not exist?

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/cho...a

Why boot size lin litres? - Engineer Andy

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/car...B

Quite a lot of makes and cars aren't included, such as Mazdas.

So this page does not exist?

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/cho...a

All I can say is when I followed the first link and searched via this link, all that came up was:

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/cho...a

I obviously didn't look further down that list, think there was (pardon the footie term) 'only one Mazda'. Thanks for the correction.

Still, it doesn't give any data for the Mazda3 Fastback, Mazda5 or any of the previous versions of any model. I wonder if its the same for other makes as well? Better than nothing I suppose.

Why boot size lin litres? - alan1302

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/car...B

Quite a lot of makes and cars aren't included, such as Mazdas.

So this page does not exist?

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/cho...a

All I can say is when I followed the first link and searched via this link, all that came up was:

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/cho...a

I obviously didn't look further down that list, think there was (pardon the footie term) 'only one Mazda'. Thanks for the correction.

Still, it doesn't give any data for the Mazda3 Fastback, Mazda5 or any of the previous versions of any model. I wonder if its the same for other makes as well? Better than nothing I suppose.

They are limited to what cars they have on there - my car was not on there at all when I got it but it is there now...at least the EV version is. Would be nice to have a more comprehensive list with pictures/videos of each car...but expect that is a bit out of the budget they will work with.

Why boot size lin litres? - Crickleymal

I'm sure there are other sites

Why boot size lin litres? - mcb100
You also need to look at which method has been used to measure the capacity - SAE or VDA.
SAE will more often than not produce a larger volume for the same boot measured via VDA.
Most online brochures will feature a schematic showing every conceivable dimension, including boot dimensions.

Edited by mcb100 on 30/11/2022 at 21:31

Why boot size lin litres? - Andrew-T
You also need to look at which method has been used to measure the capacity - SAE or VDA.

Sorry - what are SAE and VDA (stamped addressed envelope) ? :-)

Why boot size lin litres? - RT
You also need to look at which method has been used to measure the capacity - SAE or VDA.

Sorry - what are SAE and VDA (stamped addressed envelope) ? :-)

SAE > Society Of Automobile Engineers - who define US vehicle standards

VDA > Verband der Automobilindustrie - literally translated: Union of the Automobile Industry - who define German standards

Why boot size lin litres? - mcb100
VDA method uses uniformly sized blocks - put as many in as you can, count them, volume determined.
SAE uses, for example, small ball bearing-sized polystyrene balls which have the ability to fill all the crooks and nannies into which the blocks won’t fit.
Hence the discrepancy in measurements.
Why boot size lin litres? - Bromptonaut

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

You need both of those.

At the end of her first year at Uni Miss B and I filled 90+% of the volume of my Xantia estate. Duvets, pillows and other squishables made the most of space.

Length of the Berlingo's boot, rear seats removed and front seat folded down allowed us to (just) get an IKEA sofa in. Had to leave Mrs B in the cafe and go home, returning in my Roomster. If we'd left the offside rear seat in place we'd have done it in one.

Why boot size lin litres? - corax

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

I use ridc as mentioned but I don't find the search system on the website user friendly. I use google to type the car of my choice followed by ridc and I find that usually gets the result.

Dimensions of the boot would be useful to include on reviews. As well as a yes or no to the ability to fold front passenger seat forward flat to accomodate long loads.

And if the current trend for SUV's gives no thought to aerodynamic efficiency, they might as well give estate cars boxy rear ends for practicality, like the old Volvo estates. I suppose they think they won't sell because they won't appeal to the 'sportwagon' set, but why buy an estate if you don't need to carry loads, sometimes of odd size? You've got various choices of van granted, but estates are more efficient with less frontal area and lower rooflines.

Edited by corax on 10/12/2022 at 17:41

Why boot size lin litres? - Engineer Andy

Why the boot sizes are quoted in litres? No one puts liquid in there!

A pragmatic option is to give length, width and height so that one can figure whether a TV or fridge will fit by folding seats.

I use ridc as mentioned but I don't find the search system on the website user friendly. I use google to type the car of my choice followed by ridc and I find that usually gets the result.

Dimensions of the boot would be useful to include on reviews. As well as a yes or no to the ability to fold front passenger seat forward flat to accomodate long loads.

And if the current trend for SUV's gives no thought to aerodynamic efficiency, they might as well give estate cars boxy rear ends for practicality, like the old Volvo estates. I suppose they think they won't sell because they won't appeal to the 'sportwagon' set, but why buy an estate if you don't need to carry loads, sometimes of odd size? You've got various choices of van granted, but estates are more efficient with less frontal area and lower rooflines.

Sometimes its gets embarrassing - my current PC came in a huge box and because they wouldn't deliver to my then workplace, I had it delieverd to my parents' home.

Despite my Mazda3 saloon having nearly twice the boot space to my parents' Fiesta, I had to ask them to bring it up to me because the box was cubed-shaped and was too large to fit through the boot aperture of my car or the doors. It could fit via ther hatchback opening and in the boot with the back seats down.

This is the reason why, despite the latest version saloon (fastback) of my car looking great and being faster and more efficient (more aerodynamic shape) than its SUV bretherin, I would likely choose the CX-30 as it has a big (relative to the 3 Fastback) hatchback opening with a 430L boot (as opposed to 450L for the 3 Fastback and about 365L for the 3 hatch [not large enough for my needs]). And I'd have to pay an extra £1-2k for the 'priviledge'.

No estate version. Boo. Probably why I've considered the Corolla as one alternative.

Why boot size lin litres? - Manatee

Volume in litres is not necessarily measured as if filled with liquid.

Ford helpfully explains here the difference between the SAE method of measurement and the VDA method, which yields a smaller number.

Less helpfully, they don't say which one they use.

I noticed a while back that Mazda for example don't say what method they use.