I find it really sad.
Tastes change, I know but heavier, less well balanced cars isn't progress for me.
not so sure its taste as follow the what everyone else is doing, I don`t like the larger motors as most don`t know how to drive them but I think they are too big for our roads, ...though its been mentioned a few times Ford will stop the smaller cars as they concentrate on electric, so will others gradually as electric takes over and as designs change so will the shapes due to more flexibility in designs
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If they were still selling and making good profits then Ford would keep making them. They are dropping saloon cars and hatchbacks in favour of SUVs and pickup trucks because that is what people are buying and that is where the profits are.
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Yes the Fiesta is being discontinued as apparently they can't put electric drive train into a small car. So obviously the Fiat 500e being an even smaller car and an EV must not actually exist. Nor the VW E-Up, . We just dreamt them up. Poor show Ford.
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Truly sad times.
As has been said, ever bigger cars is what most people want. And most manufacturers are only interested in profit. It would be nice if the big manufacturers could somehow be forced into offering a small car for people (like myself) who want a small car.
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Today's Fiesta is the bigger car - it's 15/16" (38/40cm) longer than the Mk1 - as well as heavier, wider & taller.
The 2022 Honda Civic is roughly the length of the old Accord saloon of a few years back.
The Polo of today is roughly the length of the Mk1 Golf.
Every 5 years or so the cars seem to grow the odd inch or so - all makes seem to be the same trend.
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Today's Fiesta is the bigger car - it's 15/16" (38/40cm) longer than the Mk1 - as well as heavier, wider & taller..
At first sight I thought this meant 15/16 of an inch, but it clearly doesn't .....
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Truly sad times.
As has been said, ever bigger cars is what most people want. And most manufacturers are only interested in profit. It would be nice if the big manufacturers could somehow be forced into offering a small car for people (like myself) who want a small car.
Tesla are working on a car to sell for about 25k but the size imo is too small, but is meant for City/town use, though range is iro 200 miles I gather could be more as there battery tech improves
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Truly sad times.
As has been said, ever bigger cars is what most people want. And most manufacturers are only interested in profit. It would be nice if the big manufacturers could somehow be forced into offering a small car for people (like myself) who want a small car.
Tesla are working on a car to sell for about 25k but the size imo is too small, but is meant for City/town use, though range is iro 200 miles I gather could be more as there battery tech improves
£25k for a city car? 5 years ago you could pick up a good number of ICE ones for less than £9k, and a good number a LOT less. Hardly affordable to the masses, not practical for those of us (huge numbers) living in terraced housing or flats with no access (no ever will be) to secure, nearby fast charging or at a reasonable price.
Most people have no guaranteed work parking space, and do not have the time to either hang around on the way to/from work for 30-45 mins charging said car when an ICE one can be completely filled with fuel (which get them 400+ miles range) in 5 minutes and is not dependeent on unattended charging stations having chargers that actually work properly or that the app to pay is compatible/phone signal working.
The powers that be have forced this 20+ years too soon, cajoled/goaded by shadowy groups and people with agendas contrary to the common good.
Note that there also was a report from a northern European nation (I can't remember which) that said that lithium supplies and recycling would not be anywhere near sufficient (including using new mining sources or ones being currently scoped out) to cater for such needs over the coming deacdes. This wasn't the first either - I remember similar comments coming out of some conference Down Under or reported there a relatively short while ago.
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£25k for a city car? 5 years ago you could pick up a good number of ICE ones for less than £9k, and a good number a LOT less.
Just to be clear, this new small Tesla is not a "city car". It will be pitched as an alternative to EV's such as the VW ID3, and they are actually aiming for an entry price of £22k, which would be phenomenal value compared to the competition, both electric (around £12k less than the ID3) and ICE (around £2k cheaper than the cheapest Golf).
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£25k for a city car? 5 years ago you could pick up a good number of ICE ones for less than £9k, and a good number a LOT less.
Just to be clear, this new small Tesla is not a "city car". It will be pitched as an alternative to EV's such as the VW ID3, and they are actually aiming for an entry price of £22k, which would be phenomenal value compared to the competition, both electric (around £12k less than the ID3) and ICE (around £2k cheaper than the cheapest Golf).
I seriously doubt they'll get it out at £22k, given that they wanted to do soemthing similar with the Model 3 for less than £30k and they actually start around £41k. IMHO Musk says a lot but rarely delivers on his promises.
Bear in mind as the direct consumer subsidies disappear, there will be less scope for manufacturers to artificially lower EV prices, unless they (both them and government) do so via artificially putting more and more 'environmental taxes and requirements on ICE cars and inflate prices by a lot more than it costs to add such features.
The less well off subsidising the well off.
I was only going by what Bolt recounted in good faith as regards what type of car tesla were hoping to build.
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£25k for a city car? 5 years ago you could pick up a good number of ICE ones for less than £9k, and a good number a LOT less.
Just to be clear, this new small Tesla is not a "city car". It will be pitched as an alternative to EV's such as the VW ID3, and they are actually aiming for an entry price of £22k, which would be phenomenal value compared to the competition, both electric (around £12k less than the ID3) and ICE (around £2k cheaper than the cheapest Golf).
City car was my words not Tesla, though it looks like one, but Tesla are always changing spec so they may change a lot when they finally hit the road. didn`t VW say they were losing money on the ID3 and compared to Tesla there are a lot more components in it to go wrong and more costly to make?
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Truly sad times.
As has been said, ever bigger cars is what most people want. And most manufacturers are only interested in profit. It would be nice if the big manufacturers could somehow be forced into offering a small car for people (like myself) who want a small car.
Tesla are working on a car to sell for about 25k but the size imo is too small, but is meant for City/town use, though range is iro 200 miles I gather could be more as there battery tech improves
£25k for a city car? 5 years ago you could pick up a good number of ICE ones for less than £9k, and a good number a LOT less. Hardly affordable to the masses, not practical for those of us (huge numbers) living in terraced housing or flats with no access (no ever will be) to secure, nearby fast charging or at a reasonable price.
Most people have no guaranteed work parking space, and do not have the time to either hang around on the way to/from work for 30-45 mins charging said car when an ICE one can be completely filled with fuel (which get them 400+ miles range) in 5 minutes and is not dependeent on unattended charging stations having chargers that actually work properly or that the app to pay is compatible/phone signal working.
The powers that be have forced this 20+ years too soon, cajoled/goaded by shadowy groups and people with agendas contrary to the common good.
Note that there also was a report from a northern European nation (I can't remember which) that said that lithium supplies and recycling would not be anywhere near sufficient (including using new mining sources or ones being currently scoped out) to cater for such needs over the coming deacdes. This wasn't the first either - I remember similar comments coming out of some conference Down Under or reported there a relatively short while ago.
Youve not said anything I dont already know i was only telling what Tesla reportedly are doing. The problem appears to be anyone remotely seeming against EVs are shot down in flames by the EV cult which is why i couldnt be bothered to say what you did
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I find it really sad.
Tastes change, I know but heavier, less well balanced cars isn't progress for me.
not so sure its taste as follow the what everyone else is doing, I don`t like the larger motors as most don`t know how to drive them but I think they are too big for our roads, ...though its been mentioned a few times Ford will stop the smaller cars as they concentrate on electric, so will others gradually as electric takes over and as designs change so will the shapes due to more flexibility in designs
It's not just that, but car makers generally are dropping cars at the affordable end of their ranges - the Telegraph report said that they are also not going to make a Focus EV either.
I think it is related to general 'moves' to use 'environmental issues' (amongst many ofther things at the moment) as trojan horses to transfer wealth and power.
The over-regulation of the 'car safety' and 'environmental' issues (most of which are of barely any benefit, if at all). many firms are just dropping all small and lower spec cars. Sounds like the uber rich globalist dream of Pleb-car-free roads (we'd have to walk, cycle or get [poor substitute] public transport] of going back 100 years (amongst other things to put us in our place) is now happening.
Remember, for those here who think that they won't be affected because they can (currently) afford the next level of car up, then it just means you'll be the next to be targeted in a few years.
I also note that reports are doing the rounds of Agenda 30 saying that we'll be fined every time we 'stray' away from home (presumably by car) for more than X miles (and/or perhaps Y time) which has a similar effect as limiting the supply of affordable cars. Only the very well off can then afford to travel via car.
I do find it amazing at how such taxes/charge (flat rate) style things are being touted by the same types as those who in the past were dead against such 'unprogressive' taxes, such as the hated 'Poll Tax'.
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I also note that reports are doing the rounds of Agenda 30 saying that we'll be fined every time we 'stray' away from home (presumably by car) for more than X miles (and/or perhaps Y time) which has a similar effect as limiting the supply of affordable cars. Only the very well off can then afford to travel via car.
Don't belive everything you read on the internet, Andy.
You could write some great fiction books with all your conspiracy plans though.
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The powers that be have forced this 20+ years too soon, cajoled/goaded by shadowy groups and people with agendas contrary to the common good.
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I also note that reports are doing the rounds of Agenda 30 saying that we'll be fined every time we 'stray' away from home (presumably by car) for more than X miles (and/or perhaps Y time) which has a similar effect as limiting the supply of affordable cars. Only the very well off can then afford to travel via car.
Don't belive everything you read on the internet, Andy.
You could write some great fiction books with all your conspiracy plans though.
Rather ironic, given you mostly appear to believe what you read in the mainstream media and on TV news.
I would point out that the WEF and the UN have actually stated in their own documents on their wbsites exactly this. They want less car (and home) ownership and more travel (by the masses only) by public transport, etc by either pricing them out of car ownership or using social/CO2 credit systems to do much the same.
The very well off (powerful) can either easily afford to buy credits or will be exempt (as private jets and yachts are from green taxes on fuel now). They can also affor PV panels, battery walls, etc to overcome 'power shortages' which are themselves caused by artificials strangling fossil fuel use in power generation in favour of non-base load 'green' fuels that don't include nuclear.
Meanwhile, they use out money to 'fund' the next bottomless moneypit that benefits the rich and powerful only, aka HS2.
How is this not a conspiracy theory when they admit it themselves on their own websites and videos?
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I would point out that the WEF and the UN have actually stated in their own documents on their wbsites exactly this. They want less car (and home) ownership and more travel (by the masses only) by public transport,
The UN wants less home ownership? Really? Hmmmm?
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How is this not a conspiracy theory when they admit it themselves on their own websites and videos?
It's not a conspiracy theory if they admit to it...although they won't admit to it as it's not true. They may well want less car ownership and to encougare more peope to use public transport. Would that not be a good thing? They are not suggesting fines to people if they go too far from their home - that's just not true and I've no idea where you get that from.
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I find it really sad.
Sounds like the uber rich globalist dream of Pleb-car-free roads (we'd have to walk, cycle or get [poor substitute] public transport] of going back 100 years (amongst other things to put us in our place) is now happening.
If your idea of plebs is those endless lines of people on the earlier thread striving to write their expensive cars off as quickly as they can by driving fast through a deep ford while others spend all day gawping at them, I'll take uber rich globalists thank you.
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I think it is related to general 'moves' to use 'environmental issues'
Not sure electric cars are environment friendly, no matter what the cost, mining the materials is dangerous, accidents with these minerals is dangerous, and if set fire accidentally or otherwise is dangerous as well, more so than Hydrogen but thats a different story...
the EU state a lot of household electrics are to be more efficient from 1st March 2023 to help cut down on global warming, companies are to make parts for appliances for years after for DIYers, yet cars charge at an extremely high rate and not all electric is green, and won`t be enough to charge the amount of cars that will exist soon
I think we have all this the wrong way round as usual, build the charging points first then sell the cars when everyone who wants one, buys one. going to be interesting to see if anyone builds these nuclear power stations as if they try not to and rely on our grid, could be interesting results in a few years, like power cuts all over the country
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