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Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - _

Have had a few conversations recently about Employers being unable to hire staff, and no apprentices coming through. seems that nobody is interested in doing this sort of work.

Even the fast fit fitters are having trouble recruiting.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - catsdad

I wonder if it’s because mechanically-minded school leavers are now more attracted to clean, indoor practical work. Two of my nephews are doing engineering apprenticeships on very good pay and conditions with a mix of computer and hands-on work. As it happens one is making aero-parts for F1 cars but both their companies have range of non-motor clients. They are both into their cars but I couldn’t ever see either of them going on the tools.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Falkirk Bairn

My Indie "retired" 2+ years ago and his son became the main man.

Unfortunately the son is now "long term ill" and the dad is back working full-time to keep the mini-bus business going and the car repair business for regulars alive.

Months on trying to find mechanics with bus experience + car & van work is proving very difficult. A few applicants only and often lacking knowledge & experience.

His mini-bus business is key to supporting handicapped kids getting to school etc etc so has to run everyday. Fixing buses is not the same as a car - hence the problems.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - elekie&a/c doctor
It’s not surprising that the motor industry is struggling to recruit mechanics . Their top wages are around £45k pa . A good plumber, electrician or bricklayer etc can easily earn double that without the thousands of pounds of tool and technology investments. Also , car manufacturers seem to be making simple jobs as difficult as possible.
Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Andrew-T

My Indie "retired" 2+ years ago and his son became the main man.

I used to depend upon a local indie whose main interest was working in the pits at touring-car races. As he approached 60 he decided to concentrate on that and cut back on bread and butter work, so I switched to another indie a few miles in the other direction, who seems to like working on 20th-century cars and so far have been good. But the staff are noticeably not youngsters, so I guess it's another example of the same thing.

It may be chicken and egg - are modern cars computerised because of shortage of good repair staff, or the opposite ?

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Warning

I suspect old time car mechanics will be struggling with modern cars, which are largely computer controlled and full of sensors.The skill set has changed.

Under Tony Blair and onwards, 50% of school leavers went to University. In the past it would have been around the top 10%. There is an oversupply, they end up working in non-graduate jobs like at B&Q.

It leaves the bottom 50%, who might not be very good. You need good skills in diagnosing problems. If you were nt good at school, then in todays word, cars are more complex and you need to be able to read technical manuals and it will be a struggle....

Edited by Warning on 04/10/2022 at 14:55

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Xileno

Maybe the shortage will lead to better wages for those who remain? The market may level things out.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - elekie&a/c doctor
Unlikely. There are now so many internet garage booking sites that all profess to “we are cheaper “ than the others, it’s now just a race to the bottom of cost and quality.
Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Steveieb

Unfortunately anyone who vaguely works with their hands in the UK is considered to be low status.
Added to the possible injuries and wear and tear on joints renders the profession one to avoid.

Unfortunately my son is in a similar profession and girls looked down their nose at him for being in a job where he is getting his hands oily.

When working overseas on security equipment we always arrive in suits and changed on site so we weren’t classified workmen by the office staff. And carried our tools in a briefcase , only taking them out when there was no one in sight.

What a situation for a country to be in. My neighbour worked for Cosworth and helped to produce the DFV engine with Mike Costin and Keith Duckworth. A world class engineer who gets no accolades in the village unlike the doctors and solicitors.

just the difference in Germany where an engineer is considered on an equal status as doctors etc.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Xileno

If 'Engineer' was given reserved title status as in many other countries, then that would go some way to resolving the problem. The youth who used to service our photocopier used to call himself an engineer.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Adampr

Without wishing to open the can of worms too much, we do also have to account for having sent a large proportion of our skilled workforce back to the continent so that we could "take back control"

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - RickyBoy

'Vision Technician' (Window Cleaner) is my favourite...

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Xileno

I have no doubt that will have played a part, along with youngsters eyeing up what they believe are more attractive careers (IT for example) plus a major concern is the number of aged 50+ workers who left during the pandemic and have not returned.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Brit_in_Germany

If 'Engineer' was given reserved title status as in many other countries, then that would go some way to resolving the problem. The youth who used to service our photocopier used to call himself an engineer.

As in a builder of war-machines?

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Xileno

Sorry, you've lost me...

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Brit_in_Germany

Engineer - maker of engines, i.e war machines.

www.etymonline.com/word/engineer

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - bathtub tom

When I was at BT we were referred to as engineers, although I refused to use the title myself as I don't have an engineering degree.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Andrew-T

Engineer - maker of engines, i.e war machines.

In some parts of the world - US for example - an engineer is someone who drives an engine, not necessarily knowing anything about fixing it.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - J19

In my eyes an engineer is someone who designs and/or builds something. A technician or mechanic is someone who maintains and repairs something.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - J19

Vehicle repair is a broken industry for a lot of reasons.

It's too physical and dirty work to be of interest to people who excel in academia. They end up wanting to go to uni and persue an office job.

In terms of complexity of electric systems, it's generally too complex for people who didn't get on at school and who are good with their hands. Although it still mainly attracts these sorts of people.

Working condition are poor. Too hot in summer (no Aircon), too cold in winter (may have workshop heating if you're lucky), dirty and physical work.

Generally long working hours compared to most. Office jobs I know of are 40 hours a week max including lunch breaks. Most mechanics are working at least 45+ hours a week, as well as having to do Saturdays and maybe Sundays for fast fitters. Lunch break if you're lucky although it'll be stood up eating off the top of your toolbox.

Investment in tools is substantial. Garages almost never supply employees with the basic tools, only special tool tend to be supplied. Expect to invest over £10k within a few years.

Customers expect far too much but rarely want to pay much either. Think about how many millions of pounds and how many teams of experts, engineers and computer scientists go into designing just one model of vehicle. And yet customers expect a mechanic to be an expert and able to fix any problem on any vehicle that comes through the door for a reasonable price? Not an excuse for mechanics to do a bad job, but people need to be more reasonable in terms of what can be achieved for a given cost.

Generally with vehicle maintenance and repair the quicker and easier jobs make garages much more money. The harder and more complex jobs (that tend to end up going to a good mechanic) do not make garages much money. Which is very backwards, the less skilled mechanics and fast fitters are rewarded for doing easier work. Meanwhile the more skilled mechanics are spending hours diagnosing complex faults or putting right what another garage has done wrong. But they can't charge the customer for the full amount of hours because that would be "unreasonable".

There are plenty of bad mechanics who give everyone a bad name. But somehow they still manage to stay in business and make good money?

Independent garages have to navigate multiple vehicle makes and models, and ever changing technologies. Normally with little technical support from manufacturers. Difficult to know how something works without adequate technical data.

Pay is not good considering the above. Dealers pay more but it's all about targets and pressure.

I could probably think of more reasons why people are leaving and no-one is replacing them.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Xileno

Thank you for that lengthy analysis and welcome to the forum.

It's all a bit depressing, we need people to service and fix vehicles so essential workers can get to work. There must be solutions, pay is clearly one but conditions of work sound like they need to improved as well.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - _

The other day I was in a Skoda dealership and the workshop toilet was a cold outside place.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - badbusdriver

Generally long working hours compared to most. Office jobs I know of are 40 hours a week max including lunch breaks. Most mechanics are working at least 45+ hours a week, as well as having to do Saturdays and maybe Sundays for fast fitters. Lunch break if you're lucky although it'll be stood up eating off the top of your toolbox.

The local indy I currently use (Just the owner/mechanic and one other) works seven days most weeks and I believe (certainly Monday to Friday) 7am-7pm. In fact I have a sneaking suspicion he actually lives on the premises!.

Working condition are poor. Too hot in summer (no Aircon), too cold in winter (may have workshop heating if you're lucky), dirty and physical work.

The last garage environment I worked in was a VW dealership form early to mid noughties. A year or so before I finished there was workshop heating fitted, large overhead things blowing hot air down. 'My' valeting bay had its own door and could be shut off from the rest of the workshop so it was actually quite pleasant in there. But the workshop, like most, had an enormous door which didn't fit that well and certainly wasn't insulated in any way and of course with 4/5 mechanics, it was often being opened. So even with the heating, in winter (North East Scotland), the workshop was never what you'd call warm, just less cold than outside!. But before this, I don't remember anything other than a single space heater in the (huge, with a very high roof) main workshop. I had a Calor Gas heater in the valeting bay which didn't do very much, making it difficult with polishes which really needed to be dry to remove without smearing.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - skidpan

It’s not surprising that the motor industry is struggling to recruit mechanics . Their top wages are around £45k pa . A good plumber, electrician or bricklayer etc can easily earn double that without the thousands of pounds of tool and technology investments

Don't know where a bricklayer can earn £90,000 a year. When we had some major works carried out 5 years ago the bricklayer who did the first phase charged £150 a day. When we were ready to do the 2nd phase he was unavailable and the replacement bricklayer charged £150 a day. Looking on the local job sites the rates for bricklayer's seem to be in the £180 a day bracket which is a reasonable increase on the rate 5 years ago. Assuming he could work 5 days a week and take the usual 35 days a year off that would be £40,500 a year. Good money but its doubtful they could avoid layoffs for bad weather which result in lost wages, there were some on our job.

The tools required by a bricklayer are pretty simple but plumbers require some specialised kit to repair/service modern boilers and they need to keep up to date with many different manufacturers.

Before I retired 5 years ago my chargeable hourly rate at work was £65. I was paid an hourly equivalent of about £26, not much more than the local rate for a bricklayer but at least I was in an air conditioned office and didn't loose pay through bad weather.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Andrew-T

The other day I was in a Skoda dealership and the workshop toilet was a cold outside place.

It's not a place where anyone should wish to linger - for various reasons ... :-)

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - J19

Thank you for that lengthy analysis and welcome to the forum.

It's all a bit depressing, we need people to service and fix vehicles so essential workers can get to work. There must be solutions, pay is clearly one but conditions of work sound like they need to improved as well.

I realise now that it was b***** long rant so I apologise for that.

I'm sure that every job has significant downsides of some description, just some more than others. It depends on how willing people are to put up with them.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - movilogo

With cars becoming increasingly computer controlled, may be being a mechanic is not enough - one needs to be an electronics expert too.

Since manufactures often use proprietary technologies, repairing cars is less attractive proposition now.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - elekie&a/c doctor
Friend of mine runs a trucking and logistics company . Hgv class 1 drivers , at least £250 per day .
Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Andrew-T
Friend of mine runs a trucking and logistics company . HGV class 1 drivers , at least £250 per day .

Wasn't there a severe shortage of those recently, which must have forced rates up ?

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - RickyBoy

I had an issue a couple of months ago.

Was leaving Bedford, heading back to MK. Had travelled a couple of miles when I suffered a complete loss of power. Two lights flashed up on the dash – which I recognized – and the engine went into 'limp-mode'. As I had two grandchildren in the back I daren't switch off in case I couldn't start-up again, so we 'jogged' the 15+ miles back home with hazards on and me driving quite close to the kerb!!! Kids had fallen asleep by then so didn't witness the 'white knuckle ride'...

...on arrival home I called Audi Assistance. Did I want an AA technician or an Audi one. Audi please... ...so 2.5-hrs later the AA turned up. Nice young guy. There's more of us than them he suggested! I described the problem and he hooked up his laptop and turned on the ignition. It fired-up first time and the warning lights had disappeared. Was ticking over just fine. Nothing (no error code whatsoever) showed up on his screen so he was clearly unable to say for sure what had happened but speculated that it might be a cylinder coil?

Will it happen again, I said? Can't tell you, but do short distances and don't let the engine get too hot. Electrical problems usually develop when engines get too hot.

But this is our long-distance motor I said, and it did 100-miles to Cambridge & back yesterday without incident! Ah, well if it happens again do request an Audi dedicated technician as their computers can go deep into the software whereas ours barely touch the surface (or similar).

So, for a week I drove it by myself just in case the problem did reappear and that I wouldn't inconvenience my wife (or grandkids) sitting roadside awaiting mobile help.

Happy to say that it hasn't happened again, yet, so everything crossed for the future...

Vehicle is an A3 Sportback 1.5TFSI, 4.5-years old with 21,000 on the clock. First issue I've had (except a screw in a tyre) since owning.

I've forgotten what my point in posting this was now... :–)

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - corax
I've forgotten what my point in posting this was now... :–)

Don't buy an Audi :-)

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Terry W

50 years ago when I started driving, knowing how to fix your own car was useful, and often essential to make ownership affordable.

Cars were simple electro-mechanical devices, capable of repair with basic tools. They were unreliable compared to cars of today and needed servicing frequently.

Today - cars tend to be far more reliable, and far more complex. The owner's handbook is often much bigger than the comprehensive Haynes manual of yesteryear.

Car manufacturers, to reduce cost, now have global supply chains. Managing these and minimising assembly times means complete subassemblies. Maintenance and repair are de-skilled to make it both cheaper and more likely a first time fix is delivered.

The trend seems to be towards specialists for certain systems - eg: ECUs, fuel injection systems, with fast fit for the routine - brakes, steering components, air con etc.

Contrast with 50 years ago when, if components were not manufactured in house, they would likely be sourced fairly locally.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Falkirk Bairn

>> they would likely be sourced fairly locally.

and when your car needed attention it was done locally - 2 repairs come to mind - a Vauxhall Cavalier had developed a starter motor problem. Into a small garage 1 mile away, took starter out, walked 100 yards to another, even smaller 1 man band "shed" and 2 hours later it was fixed - cost £20.

A few weeks later a son's car died - it was the ECU! The board was taken out and travelled a few miles - component replaced - £30 - £1 for the component and £29 for the diagnostics & the knowledge to fix it.

Today, if my starter motor failed it would be replaced - say £500+ and the ECU would be megabucks or trying to source one at a scrappy!

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Andrew-T

Cars were simple electro-mechanical devices, capable of repair with basic tools. They were unreliable compared to cars of today and needed servicing frequently.

In 1963 as newlyweds we moved to Canada (Alberta) and having survived the first winter bought a Morris 1100 which its owner had used for ice-rallying, where new-fangled FWD was a useful advantage. We drove it south to Arizona, west to SF, back up the coastal states, over to Vancouver Island and back home. I can't remember anything much going wrong, but I asked the BMC dealer in Salt Lake City about the rubber CV joints knocking. He said they were OK and would get me to the next dealership, which was 1500 miles away.

The following summer we did a similar trip a bit further east, then after moving to Ottawa another one along the eastern coast from Virginia as far as Nova Scotia. By the time we returned to the UK the car had done 60K miles, and one winter's exposure to the Ottawa salt treatment had started a tinworm attack.

I carried only a few simple tools, plus a supply of oil for top-ups and a spare fuel pump, which was electric and under the tank, which was itself under the boot, not like these days where under the rear seat is a better place. I could change the pump in 10-15 minutes whenever the points sooted up, then clean those for next time after we got home.

Reliability ? I thought it was pretty good on the whole.

Lack of mechanics or technicians - Motoring repairs - Steveieb

Mechanics working on Japanese and Korean cars may not need be so experienced as mostly they see cars under warranty needing simple maintenance.

My local Joint Suzuki and Fiat / Alfa Romeo dealer employed separate mechanics for both marques.

Often I would watch the Suzuki. Mechanics relaxing outside the workshop and then the Fiat / Alfa chaps would emerge exhausted and covered in oil streaks and greasy hands .