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Cheap Future Electric Cars - newguy2015

I was just reading about a new Citroen concept car called the oli that can be seen here https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/358914/new-citroen-oli-concept-previews-future-affordable-electric-cars

Wow this thing is ugly and the article doesn’t mention likely cost but if this is sold at a price like the ami, Citroen might be on to something.

A light weight designed electric car that looks to save money by using the same panels. I don’t know what safety is likely to be like. I really hope that is good enough

Range up to 249 but limited to a top speed of 69. If Citroen could have that spec for the ami maybe i would see some on the roads. I think the ami acceleration is rather slow but assuming Citroen provides enough acceleration to safely get in to a motorway than I would happily drive something like this

i Can’t afford a Tesla and most other Electric cars. We need cheaper options and it’s good to see some car companies working on it.

Would you be happy with a basic cheap electric car like this?

Cheap Future Electric Cars - badbusdriver

Actually I like the looks!

Having said that, it is highly unlikely a production version would bear any more than a passing resemblance to the Oli. That vertical windscreen would be gone for a start, can only imagine what that would do for wind resistance, even on a car which can't top 70mph.

Would I have a cheap basic electric car?, absolutely. That top speed doesn't really bother me, as I've said before, I really like the Xbus and its top speed is quoted as being 'over 100km/h'!. Speaking of which, there are actually quite a few companies working towards putting low priced EV's into production, but having a big name looking at it too can only be a good thing.

The problem is going to be the car buying public in general. With most aspiring to the latest enormous gadget laden SUV's, I can't see much success for an EV like this without a fundamental shift in peoples attitude towards cars.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - nellyjak

Actually I like the looks!

Having said that, it is highly unlikely a production version would bear any more than a passing resemblance to the Oli. That vertical windscreen would be gone for a start, can only imagine what that would do for wind resistance, even on a car which can't top 70mph.

Would I have a cheap basic electric car?, absolutely. That top speed doesn't really bother me, as I've said before, I really like the Xbus and its top speed is quoted as being 'over 100km/h'!. Speaking of which, there are actually quite a few companies working towards putting low priced EV's into production, but having a big name looking at it too can only be a good thing.

The problem is going to be the car buying public in general. With most aspiring to the latest enormous gadget laden SUV's, I can't see much success for an EV like this without a fundamental shift in peoples attitude towards cars.

Totally agree...the uglier and more distinctive the better.!

I'd seriously consider such a vehicle and the restrictions that go with it.

70 mph top speed is fine for me....I seldom do more than that in my V6 Estima..lol

Edited by nellyjak on 30/09/2022 at 08:30

Cheap Future Electric Cars - skidpan

I drove back from Scotland in the Superb iV on Saturday, its top speed is quoted as 140 mph. Drove all the way with cruise set at 72 mph ( a true 69/70) thus a top speed of 69 mph is perfectly OK for most people. I say most, there are plenty of total i****s on the motorways who seem to think that the 70 mph limit does not apply to them, just hope they get plenty of Argos points.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Terry W

For two car families and urbanites a low cost, low power, low spec, city sized car makes a lot of sense.

If priced ~ £10-12k to compete with bottom priced new ICE with low running costs, low tax, possible preference for parking and congestion charges, it would fly off the forecourts.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - kiss (keep it simple)

For two car families and urbanites a low cost, low power, low spec, city sized car makes a lot of sense.

If priced ~ £10-12k to compete with bottom priced new ICE with low running costs, low tax, possible preference for parking and congestion charges, it would fly off the forecourts.

Spot on. I don't need 8 speaker stereo, satnav, leather seats, climate control and all the other bells and whistles to drop kids off at ballet/football/station etc.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - newguy2015

For two car families and urbanites a low cost, low power, low spec, city sized car makes a lot of sense.

If priced ~ £10-12k to compete with bottom priced new ICE with low running costs, low tax, possible preference for parking and congestion charges, it would fly off the forecourts.

Spot on. I don't need 8 speaker stereo, satnav, leather seats, climate control and all the other bells and whistles to drop kids off at ballet/football/station etc.

I drive a 1998 mx5. It basically has nothing apart from electric windows. I don’t need any of these new technologies like lane departure or a big tablet with sat nav

like your user name I wish manufacturers would just keep it simple

Cheap Future Electric Cars - newguy2015

I’m just hoping that this is more than just a car for the city. The ami is obviously too slow to go on motorway’s and is designed for city use only.

it looks to me that Citroen may have made a car that could safely get out of the city and safely use the motorway network

Cheap Future Electric Cars - newguy2015

I also stick to the 70 limit on motorways so the restrictions would be fine for me. But I would require it to have the ability to accelerate quickly to make motorway driving ok. The ami is designed to be very slow at acceleration to save battery power

Cheap Future Electric Cars - newguy2015

I had a look at the xbus website Hopefully this makes production. I like the versatility of what there doing. It looks very narrow. I would need the bus model so looking at 20k. I do like the design of this but it reminds me of those really small rascals vans.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Sulphur Man

There was a time when there were very cheap used electric cars. Because people didnt trust them as used buys.

A friend picked up a Mitsubishi i-MIEV for about £2K back in 2017. It has a feeble range - 60 miles - but you know what, it suits him and his wife fine. He loves it. Costs next to nothing to run, and is spacious and airy, if a bit tough to look at! He has the drive to charge it, but didnt bother with a wall charger - just charges off mains.

I'm quite jealous actually.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - badbusdriver

The ami is designed to be very slow at acceleration to save battery power

The Ami isn't designed to be slow at acceleration to save battery power, it accelerates slowly because it only has 8bhp and weighs 700kg (our Suzuki Ignis has 89bhp and weighs 860kg). Its lack of power and performance also enables it to be driven by a 14 year old without a licence in France.

I had a look at the xbus website Hopefully this makes production. I like the versatility of what there doing. It looks very narrow. I would need the bus model so looking at 20k. I do like the design of this but it reminds me of those really small rascals vans.

The Xbus is certainly small for a modern vehicle, but its footprint is around 30% bigger than a Rascal. While £20k isn't exactly loose change, it is a bargain next to the new VW ID Buzz which starts of at £57k!.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - newguy2015

The ami is designed to be very slow at acceleration to save battery power

The Ami isn't designed to be slow at acceleration to save battery power, it accelerates slowly because it only has 8bhp and weighs 700kg (our Suzuki Ignis has 89bhp and weighs 860kg). Its lack of power and performance also enables it to be driven by a 14 year old without a licence in France.

I had a look at the xbus website Hopefully this makes production. I like the versatility of what there doing. It looks very narrow. I would need the bus model so looking at 20k. I do like the design of this but it reminds me of those really small rascals vans.

The Xbus is certainly small for a modern vehicle, but its footprint is around 30% bigger than a Rascal. While £20k isn't exactly loose change, it is a bargain next to the new VW ID Buzz which starts of at £57k!.

I just must but very out of touch with car prices. My mx5 cost about 3k 5 years ago. I did spend perhaps £1k on refurbishing it and it’s been cheap motoring since. It will require some new brake pads and tyres all round next year but if that gets me a couple of more years motoring it will be worth it. I’ve never paid £20k for a car before key alone £57k.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - corax

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Edited by corax on 30/09/2022 at 19:36

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Crickleymal

There was a time when there were very cheap used electric cars. Because people didnt trust them as used buys.

A friend picked up a Mitsubishi i-MIEV for about £2K back in 2017. It has a feeble range - 60 miles - but you know what, it suits him and his wife fine. He loves it. Costs next to nothing to run, and is spacious and airy, if a bit tough to look at! He has the drive to charge it, but didnt bother with a wall charger - just charges off mains.

I'm quite jealous actually.

I had a look on autotrader just now. There's one for sale at nearly £7k

Cheap Future Electric Cars - veloceman
Fascinating how folks opinions have changed. Imagine buying a ICE car with 8 litre fuel tank that took you all night to fill up.
Cheap Future Electric Cars - Adampr

If it cost £2.50 for 160 miles and I had an automatic pump attached to my house I'd be all over it.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Adampr

In fact, now I think about it, maybe we should have switched to natural gas cars some time ago

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Ethan Edwards

I've had three cars where I converted them to LPG. Because I did a lot of mileage and it saved a shed load of money. That's the good bit. But I had a toroidal tank that went into the spare wheel well. Fairly small so I was filling it up every other day. Usual problems despite having a choice of five garages selling Lpg on my commute. Lots of times they'd run out or the pump was broken. Plus you have to buy and install a flash lube system as lpg is a dry fuel. It's an upper cylinder lubricant. All went well until I had valve seat recession after 50k miles. So needed head work. Some makes are OK but you have to know which ones. It was OK but EVs are a better proposition. In summary good idea but not as easy as you might think and suffers from a lack of infrastructure.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - newguy2015
Fascinating how folks opinions have changed. Imagine buying a ICE car with 8 litre fuel tank that took you all night to fill up.

I live in central Scotland and for 98% of my driving I could easily get by with an electric car with a 100 mile range. I’ve also got a driveway for charging

However, when the time comes to buy an electric car, I think the lowest range I would actually be prepared to go with would be 250 miles

i buy for the long term and tend to buy outright. So over the course of ten years I’m sure the range would no doubt fall. I doubt it would fall but more than 50% so I think it would still have enough range for my needs.

also during the winter when the range goes down I don’t want to have any range aniexty.

Out of curiosity what would your minimum range requirement be?

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Ethan Edwards

What's my minimum range requirement? Well I bought an EV so it's 180miles I have a Mokka-e which has a 200miles range (WLTP). Ice car thinking is I must have a huge amount of range all the time. Why? All you probably do is short journeys. Ev is different. If you have a huge heavy battery for your huge range you need to lug it round on all your usual short journeys. It's inefficient and wastes energy. My thinking is to have a modest range and that'll be sufficient for 99% of my usage and recharge on longer trips. Well I have found in a year of EV usage ( and I don't own an ice car anymore) that I've not needed a public charger at all. I have a EV tarriff where I get a five hour window of super cheap electricity every night. 4.5p per kw. So I run my ev for 1.2p per mile. My daily commute used to cost 12.80 a day. Now 82p. That's why I run an EV.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - newguy2015

Hi Ethan

The range of your Mokka would almost certainly work for me. Out of curiosity what sort of range are you seeing in winter conditions?

are you planning on owning it for the long term? Have you seen any drop off range over the years that you’ve owned it?

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Ethan Edwards

Range totally depends on how you drive it, use the eco button, keep the speed moderate etc. Round about 160 but up there in Scotland is going to be less mild than here in Sarf Essex- ambient temperature is a factor. Cold is worse. Also should I need it I have lots of chargers in range. Scotland maybe a bit thin on the ground. My commute is 70 miles round trip so I can do two trips with power to spare...usually. As a ex ICE driver i used to be quite phobic about it. These days not so much. Complete confidence in the car.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 01/10/2022 at 15:18

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Xileno

Following a Mod discussion, thread now back on-line.

Please everyone, read this:

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/163547/message-fro...e

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Crickleymal

There doesn't seem to be any acrimonious posts in this thread

Cheap Future Electric Cars - newguy2015

There doesn't seem to be any acrimonious posts in this thread

Glad you said that. I was trying to figure what rules I had broken!

Cheap Future Electric Cars - badbusdriver

There doesn't seem to be any acrimonious posts in this thread

Glad you said that. I was trying to figure what rules I had broken!

There was a sarcastic/rude reply to Adampr's post on natural gas which, along with his response to it, has been removed.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - skidpan

There doesn't seem to be any acrimonious posts in this thread

Glad you said that. I was trying to figure what rules I had broken!

There was a sarcastic/rude reply to Adampr's post on natural gas which, along with his response to it, has been removed.

My reply was neither sarcastic or rude, it simply pointed out the errors in the post I was replying to.

Unfortunately the other poster took offence and became extremely rude, if he had said that in the real world he would probably been on his back.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - badbusdriver

Whether or not it was rude might be up for debate, but there is no question at all that it was sarcastic (TBH, I'm flabbergasted that you'd claim it wasn't).

Cheap Future Electric Cars - skidpan

Whether or not it was rude might be up for debate, but there is no question at all that it was sarcastic (TBH, I'm flabbergasted that you'd claim it wasn't).

Did not write it as rude or sarcastic.Simply pointed out the the posters idea of natural gas fuel for cars would have been bad idea since whilst petrol has gone up from about £1.46 in late February to about £1.62 now (20%) my natural gas supply has increased from 2.5p/kwh to just over 10p/kwh yesterday, a 400% increase.

So whilst we might moan about petrol prices its peanuts compared to gas increases.

There was absolutely no need for him to tell me to "go sit on a pineapple" just because he did not like my post.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Xileno

Moderators decide what gets chopped. End of.

We both made a joint decision yesterday that there were two posts that crossed a line, hence they were removed. The comments made were exactly the sort of complaint we've been receiving lately, a general unpleasantness towards other members, hence the 'Message from the Mods' thread that we wrote the other day.

Both posts contained some good points but it's a lot quicker and easier for a whole post to be removed than edited.

Now there will be no further discussion on the forum about the way this thread has been moderated, if there is then all posts from mine yesterday at 18:03 will be removed.

Now can we get back to discussing the original thread topic please.

Cheap Future Electric Cars - Adampr

Natural gas cars are popular and successful in South America and Asia, where natural gas is plentiful and cheap. They are seen as a greener alternative to petrol and diesel. It could, perhaps, have worked here but so could LPG and that's still rather niche. Maybe when our wise PM restarts fracking we will all have cheap gas again.

Back to the point on electrics; it would be great to have cheap lightweight vehicles. I k ow some people are desperate to go faster than 70, but it wouldn't bother me in the least, it would just mean I didn't have to put the cruise control on. There are only two real reasons EVs cost more; manufacturers recouping R&D costs and the cost of batteries. The former will cease at some point, and I suspect the answer to the latter is out there somewhere.

I was interested in the thread the other day about cars capturing atmospheric hydrogen to use as fuel. You could imagine leaving the car plugged in overnight to fill the tank and perhaps using solar power during the day to keep the 'converter' running. Presumably, your car would get lighter and more efficient as it filled..

Cheap Future Electric Cars - badbusdriver

I didn't read the AutoExpress article at the top (just looked at the pics) as I have an inbuilt reluctance to 'sign up' for things!.

For anyone else the same (if interested), here is a YT clip showing and explaining a bit more about the Citroen Oil concept,

watch

As I suspected, it is just going to be a concept and will not go into production. But aspects of it, materials used, styling cues, light weight and emphasis on efficiency probably will. Target weight of around 1000kg is pretty impressive for an EV (a Corsa e is around 1500kg)