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Sat Navs - Lindylootoo

Can anyone recommend a good Sat Nav to download on an android phone? It would need to include driving lanes and instructions on which lane to use as on my last drive on the mainland, I got a PCN for driving in a Bus Lane. Living on the Isle of Wight where there aren't any bus lanes and or motorways - other than half a mile of dual carriageway, doesn't equip me for mainland driving, so looking for advice on a really good sat nav.

Sat Navs - Adampr

TomTom Go is probably your best bet, although you have to pay for it. I tend to use Waze.

Sat Navs - Crickleymal

Magic Earth is what I use. You can download as many maps as you need and it covers most of the globe. I have England Scotland and Wales maps on mine. It's totally free and if you have sufficient data it will divert you if the traffic is heavy ahead.

Sat Navs - alan1302

The ones I have used recently - TomTom/Apple Maps and Google maps - I don't think any of them highlight bus lanes.

Sat Navs - Crickleymal

Nor does the one I recommended. Having lived on the Isle of Wight I know that drivers from there are handicapped when it comes to driving on the mainland.

Sat Navs - Bolt

Nor does the one I recommended. Having lived on the Isle of Wight I know that drivers from there are handicapped when it comes to driving on the mainland.

I don`t get why, I have been driving on the Island at least a week a year for about 30 years and there are bus lanes in Newport, unless OP never drives there of course, and driving on the mainland is no different, Portsmouth is the place I found difficult to drive through as not many allow you lane change if you don`t know the City, but motorway directions are easy if you concentrate and direction of travel is well marked out imo

Sat Navs - Xileno

I have TomTom Basic something or other and it tried to send me along a bus lane in Taunton the other day, so I think I agree. Certainly need to be aware.

I'm currently in Devon (Bigbury) and it sends me down all the impossibly narrow lanes, of which there are many. However for the most part there are better A and B roads but because these would result in a longer distance it doesn't send me that way. I ca't see anything in the settings so I've reverted to old technology (map and common sense). I'm expecting to get lost quite a bit over the next week...

Edited by Xileno on 26/09/2022 at 07:44

Sat Navs - Andrew-T

However for the most part there are better A and B roads but because these would result in a longer distance it doesn't send me that way. I ca't see anything in the settings so I've reverted to old technology (map and common sense).

That suggests your algorithm is looking for shortest distance, not shortest time. Even my elderly route finder program has a choice of four optima - shortest, quickest, cheapest (can't remember the fourth) ... :-) There must be another setting ?

Sat Navs - dan86

I always use Google maps and it now has the feature of most fuel efficient route and show you how much fuel you can save. Like the others it doesn't notify you if bus lanes you have to do what all drivers should do and be observant and read the road signs. All thought we can fall foul sometimes when in an area we don't know.

Sat Navs - Xileno

I've been through the whole Settings menu and it's set for Fastest Route and avoiding Unpaved Roads but it still takes me down lanes. The Shortest Route button is unchecked. I am using a map for now. Last night I was using the edge of a piece of paper and sharp pencil to calculate the distance between two towns - just like being back st school :-)

Sat Navs - maz64

My Mazda's satnav (no Android Auto) tried to send me down what was literally a farm track, complete with 5 bar metal gate barring access, driving from Melksham to Wells last weekend. I've had a go at Android Auto (in a previous car) for doing that, but obviously it's not just google mapping that suffers from this problem.

Sat Navs - Terry W

Tom Tom is on my car sat nav. Rather than respond to all its directions I tend to combine with a quick look at the map display for confirmation.

I don't know what the default calculation settings are for different roads, but it seems to treat all roads nominally at NSL unless there is an explicit limit.

This means it will happily route you down the single track because it is 20 metres less than the main road.

If the direction does not look right, I will simply ignore it. Mostly the journey time and distance remain unchanged. Were the time and/or mileage significantly increased I can always do a U turn.

Sat Navs - movilogo

Google Map is still the overall best all rounder for phone sat navs. It warns about speed cameras though not about bus lanes.

If you need no-internet solution then Maps.Me or Here Maps are good ones to try with.

Sat Navs - maz64

I've found in the past that google maps does occasionally (especially in Wales) send you down very narrow, sometimes even unsuitable for vehicles, 'roads' when perfectly acceptable alternatives are available. I would still use it if I had Android Auto in my current car, but I would try to sanity check the suggested route first.

Sat Navs - Andrew-T

I don't know what the default calculation settings are for different roads, but it seems to treat all roads nominally at NSL unless there is an explicit limit. This means it will happily route you down the single track because it is 20 metres less than the main road.

A 'default' setting is not much use if there are no alternatives ! The elderly program I referred to above allows one to set preferred speeds for classes of roads from M'ways to C-class, which avoids this problem and should give better approximations to one's own arrival time.

Sat Navs - sandy56

HereWeGo app is very good, free, and you can download all the maps you need, so you dont need a good phone connection once its loaded. I have used it across Europe and never let me down.

Sat Navs - movilogo

No sat nav is 100% reliable 100% of the time.

Google Maps once asked me to leave motorway citing it is closed - in reality I continued as it just normal.

At times it opted for narrow country lanes instead of slightly longer but A roads. I have noticed that it tends to adopt a route which is shortest time even by a small margin. So in a 2 hour journey, if motorway route takes 2:01 hr and a non motorway highly convoluted road takes 1:59 hr it will go for convoluted route.

My built in car navigation (though now out of date) always give option for [1] shortest by distance [2] fastest by time [3] most fuel economic routes. I tend to choose [2] most of the time.

Sat Navs - Engineer Andy

No sat nav is 100% reliable 100% of the time.

Google Maps once asked me to leave motorway citing it is closed - in reality I continued as it just normal.

At times it opted for narrow country lanes instead of slightly longer but A roads. I have noticed that it tends to adopt a route which is shortest time even by a small margin. So in a 2 hour journey, if motorway route takes 2:01 hr and a non motorway highly convoluted road takes 1:59 hr it will go for convoluted route.

My built in car navigation (though now out of date) always give option for [1] shortest by distance [2] fastest by time [3] most fuel economic routes. I tend to choose [2] most of the time.

Often what works well in one area or for a route doesn't work so well for others - or other types of travel.

A local cycling route to me in Herts on country roads (all public) never works on Google Maps, trying to divert me around a bend in the road in one village, yet is perfectly fine if I change the travel method to 'car'. No reason why this is, and seemingly no idea how to get Google to change the routing software to fix the error.

I don't know if all the satnav providers share their user data - not personal details, but how users faired when actually going certain routes vs the estimated speed / traffic levels. If locals don't use satnavs and few users of a particular provide use the road, then the data held may not be that accurate to give a representative idea of what the journey will be like.

This would be of far more importance when a stanav wants to take you down country lanes, especially narrow ones but which are 'de-resticted', when in reality you have to go much slower and can, in some circumstances be quite dangerous in comparison to longer, easier-to-drive routes on more major roads. Particularly if the 'time save' (at the best of times) is minimal.

I also still find that Google Maps (not sure about the competition) can be out of date on traffic jams / significant incidents by easily 30 mins, often much more. I wonder how much the providers generally rely on just data from people's cars / phone apps etc and how much from the Highways people, given their dot matrix signs are often well out of date by similar amounts.

Sat Navs - alan1302

I don't know if all the satnav providers share their user data - not personal details, but how users faired when actually going certain routes vs the estimated speed / traffic levels. If locals don't use satnavs and few users of a particular provide use the road, then the data held may not be that accurate to give a representative idea of what the journey will be like.

As long as you have not opted out then Google Maps tracks where you are at all times even when you are not using the sat nav.

Sat Navs - paul 1963

I use Google maps in the van, find it accurate and uses very little data.The car has built in navigation, again for the few times I've used it I've never had a problem, as the earlier poster said if the instructions seem odd I ignore it, it soon re routes.

Sat Navs - Xileno

I've gone back to using a map for my holiday in Devon, the satnav yesterday was up to its tricks of sending me down lanes.

Sat Navs - KB.

Xileno, I live in Devon. It's noted for the narrow lanes and high hedges. My sister once told me she wouldn't come to Devon on holiday for that very reason. Admittedly there are plenty that are no wider than a car - it's the ones with grass growing down the middle that are fun.

To be honest I'm OK with them and have driven mini-buses down them as well as my car, but, believe me when I say I've encountered plenty who aren't. and they really shouldn't be on them ... it's alright when the person they meet can reverse but when you get two who can't and they're facing each other then there's trouble.

But there's nothing to be done - they've been there a while and aren't going anywhere but I can see why it could put you off driving in Devon.

Take a trip from Bovey Tracey to Moretonhampstead ... really pretty (stop off at Lustleigh) but expect huge tourist coaches and articulated lorries going to the Thompson's haulage depot in Moretonhampstead. Quite an experience some days!

Enjoy your holiday. Try to get to Dartmoor and take some of the smaller lanes - it's quite something.

Sat Navs - Xileno

Thanks. Alas this is my last day of my holiday, I drive back home tomorrow. Typically it's lashing down. But I will return to Bigbury as I'm house and cat-sitting for a friend I used to work with. Been to Salcombe, Sidmouth, Kingsbridge, Modbury and Ivybridge so not too bad in a week. On a nice day there's nothing better than the beach a mile away, this time of year it's quiet.

The narrow lanes are more of a problem for pedestrians. Several times I've wondered what might happen if a car doesn't see me in time, I've got nowhere to go as the banks are vertical. You can tell the non-locals in their cars, they stop dead in a lane, afraid of scratching their paint on the hedges.

Sat Navs - Manatee

Did you get to Burgh Island? Or the Seaton Tramway when you were around Sidmouth? Perhaps next time.

We had a week in Beer earlier this year. Breakfast on the beach, excellent.

Sat Navs - Xileno

Did you get to Burgh Island? Or the Seaton Tramway when you were around Sidmouth? Perhaps next time.

We had a week in Beer earlier this year. Breakfast on the beach, excellent.

I'm afraid not on this trip. I've seen Burgh island from the beach and I would like to go there, the locals say the hotel is excellent if a bit pricey. I would like to go on the sea tractor, at lower tides they run a LR Discovery back and forth. Sidmouth was a quick stop to catch up with a retired colleague from work but I managed to have a wander around the town.

To be honest the weather has been mixed (I think that's the diplomatic term...) and I will be back so hopefully will see some more places next time. Although after some heavy rain this morning, the sun has come out so maybe a final walk to the beach at Bigbury is on the cards.

Sat Navs - Engineer Andy

Thanks. Alas this is my last day of my holiday, I drive back home tomorrow. Typically it's lashing down. But I will return to Bigbury as I'm house and cat-sitting for a friend I used to work with. Been to Salcombe, Sidmouth, Kingsbridge, Modbury and Ivybridge so not too bad in a week. On a nice day there's nothing better than the beach a mile away, this time of year it's quiet.

The narrow lanes are more of a problem for pedestrians. Several times I've wondered what might happen if a car doesn't see me in time, I've got nowhere to go as the banks are vertical. You can tell the non-locals in their cars, they stop dead in a lane, afraid of scratching their paint on the hedges.

Indeed. Much the same when I'm on holiday in Cornwall. Some berk delivery driver expected me to walk within the bushes (quite a lot of brambles and stinging nettles to avoid) to 'get by his van rather than him waiting 20 second in a passing place when I was hiking along and deliberately making myself visible by walking down the centre of the track.

The locals nearly always pull in and wait.

Much less of a problem when I'm on my bicycle, both here in Herts (and bits of Cambs/Essesx borders) and in Cornwall where I have a better view from the bike and can more quickly find/get to a proper passing place or equivalent.

A shame that many satnavs (both my 'old' HERE maps/Drive I use when I'm cycling as needed and Google Maps [when planning a trip]) don't always differentiate between gravelled/stoney/muddy single lane (barely) farm track and wider paved roads, even those not wide enough for centre markings. There is something to be said for some old fashioned paper maps!

A good advert for keeping your wits about you and not to go too fast when using such roads, for other vehicles, pedestrians, animals (I had a near miss with a kamikarze Muntjac whilst on a long ride a week or so ago) and other hazards like fords (not Fords!). A 70yo cyclist apparently had a nasty accident with a farm vehicle may way on a country lane (regular cycling route) and suffered life-changing injuries.

Sat Navs - Bromptonaut

At times it opted for narrow country lanes instead of slightly longer but A roads. I have noticed that it tends to adopt a route which is shortest time even by a small margin. So in a 2 hour journey, if motorway route takes 2:01 hr and a non motorway highly convoluted road takes 1:59 hr it will go for convoluted route.

It did that for me last weekend.

We were away in our caravan. Left the 'van on site and dropped Mrs B at RHS Wisley and took my self of to see the planes etc at Brooklands.

Returning to Wisley it took me along lanes and around Wisley village including very narrow bridge by Pyrford Lock. OK in the car but while I know the 'van (generally) follows the car and is only a few inches wider I'd have been well anxious going through the width restriction at the end of a left curve:

goo.gl/maps/2h2HvQQwzjRe6rF79

Sat Navs - Manatee

@Lindylootoo

Whatever you choose you will need to learn its ways. Just choose a recommendation and get some practice before you visit unfamiliar places. Google maps is excellent and free, it doesn't have simulated junction views, but if you have a suitable phone and mount it won't cost anything to try it.