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Holiday tour. - barney100

Spent a couple of weeks in Cornwall in the 2008 V70d. 200 odd miles there and many trips out, 3 adults, largish dog, luggage and golf clubs. I can't see how any ev would have done the trip, the cheapest evs are small and have insufficient range.

Holiday tour. - Xileno

Once the technology advances and the range and/or recharge times improve, then it will be very different. I imagine the recharging infrastructure in Cornwall is a bit patchy. The EVs will become cheaper as more filter into the secondhand market.

Holiday tour. - Ethan Edwards

My Mokka-e can do the 200 miles there with maybe 1 stop of about 20min. Recharge overnight the many trips out present no difficulty whatsoever. Couldn't manage the three adults though. Mine can fit two adults and a 40kg dog with luggage. For the extra room I suggest a Volvo EV think it's an XC40 or Kia EV or VW ID4. In a few years you'll get these coming onto the second hand market.

Many places you can get from Airbnb now have a EV charge point. Plus there are a lot more around than you might think. Big Tesco type supermarkets tend to have them and the slower ones 7kw are usually free. App on your phone ZAP map lists them all. Just have to look.

Holiday tour. - mcb100
I’m usually as enthusiastic an EV as anyone, but the rapid charger network in Cornwall is pretty dire…
As above, there’ll be lots of properties with overnight options. Even a 3 pin plug will do the job if you’re not out and about every day.
Holiday tour. - Engineer Andy

Spent a couple of weeks in Cornwall in the 2008 V70d. 200 odd miles there and many trips out, 3 adults, largish dog, luggage and golf clubs. I can't see how any ev would have done the trip, the cheapest evs are small and have insufficient range.

I've (just me) just returned from there as well after a fortnight self-catering c/w luggage, provisions, golf bag and trolley etc. Did about 930 miles in my Mazda3 1.6 petrol in total (almost as much as for the entirety of 2021!), about 330 down there alone.

Very handy to have a car that (in the current weather) can easily do 450 miles on a tank, especially where you might be not near any EV charging spot and haven't an idea as to its condition. Only needed 91L to cover the entire holiday's use (two tankfulls is 110L) - not a bad mpg (around 46 average if my maths is correct) for a car that's supposed to get a combined one of 38 or even my average of 40-41.

I was actually told (not that it mattered) in my holiday blurb that I wasnb't allowed to recharge an EV via the lodge power sockets (as the electricity is included in the price already paid). Most actual charging points I saw out and about tended to be of the lower output type and few and far between, but then I wasn't exactly looking out for them.

I did see quite a few EVs about though...and a Triumph Stag.

Holiday tour. - badbusdriver

Spent a couple of weeks in Cornwall in the 2008 V70d. 200 odd miles there and many trips out, 3 adults, largish dog, luggage and golf clubs. I can't see how any ev would have done the trip, the cheapest evs are small and have insufficient range.

Well that was disappointing given the tread title suggests an interesting road trip.

Maybe the title could be changed to, "I don't like EV's"?

Holiday tour. - Engineer Andy

Spent a couple of weeks in Cornwall in the 2008 V70d. 200 odd miles there and many trips out, 3 adults, largish dog, luggage and golf clubs. I can't see how any ev would have done the trip, the cheapest evs are small and have insufficient range.

Well that was disappointing given the tread title suggests an interesting road trip.

Maybe the title could be changed to, "I don't like EV's"?

What would be good is for those Backroomers who own EVs say how they get on whilst on holiday in the UK, especially in some more remote / very rural areas (like Cornwall) where charging points are much more hard to come by, especially ultra fast chargers.

Holiday tour. - Terry W

Seems unreasonable to damn a whole technology because as of now it may be difficult to take a few adults, dog and luggage to Cornwall for a holiday.

Perhaps civilisation ends at the bottom of the M5 at Exeter. Expecting any sort of modern tech west of Plymouth is clearly naive. Just have to put up with ICE for a few more decades.

Holiday tour. - Xileno

The OP isn't saying he doesn't like EV, just that for his recent holiday it would not be suitable. We are in an interesting transition period, I am confident in future years we will look back at these threads and compare to how things turned out. I've recently come back from a long weekend to Devon (Bigbury-on-Sea) and I got the impression (totally unscientific I accept) that there were not as many EV around as back home in West Wilts. I wonder how the emergency services will cope, will we have ambulances and fire tenders as EV?

Holiday tour. - Bolt

will we have ambulances and fire tenders as EV?

I would be surprised if they do make them EVs, they would be much bigger than they are to accept the Batteries, so maybe they may go for hydrogen....well you never know

Holiday tour. - Bolt

The OP isn't saying he doesn't like EV

No but anyone who mentions the problems of charging or not many about are instantly assumed as being anti EV. getting tiresome imo

Holiday tour. - Adampr

What would be good is for those Backroomers who own EVs say how they get on whilst on holiday in the UK, especially in some more remote / very rural areas (like Cornwall) where charging points are much more hard to come by, especially ultra fast chargers.

In all honesty, I take the petrol car! However, I have a mate who goes everywhere in his Kia Soul with no problems. He just stops for a coffee at the services every now and then, tops it up off a fast charger and sets off again when he's ready. Long journeys certainly take a bit longer, but everyone needs a break now and then, and there are very few EVs now available where the range is less than the two hours driving time after which you should be having a break anyway.

What you lose in time on long journeys, you certainly make back on day to day journeys - never having to stop for fuel on the way to work.

I have, in nearly two years, never used a charger other than the one stuck to the side of my house. Lucky me, but EVs can work brilliantly in the right circumstances.

Holiday tour. - barney100

Never said I don't like EVs, in principle they are brilliant but I don't think any of them at the moment....that I could afford....would be able to do the job I need it to do. Went from N Hants down to Looe on the 303 which was reasonably clear. spent ten days in a caravan there and did many trips out. The Lizard is a beautiful place but next day's trip to Land's End was a bit disappointing due to the high commercialisation there. Milinak theatre down Penzance way is wonderful, you watch the play or show looking out over the sea but being open air bad weather would not be good. Cornwall has loads of narrow roads and we did a lot of 'after you Claude'. Jamaica inn is worth a visit with a museum too featuring a man trap which would take your leg off...banned in 1827 but Kent was still allowing them. Every day featured a trip some where and the old Volvo took it all init's stride. Last four days were a bucket trip stay in the Headland hotel at Newquay. Car park had a Rolls Cullinan, a Bentley and a Tesla or two among the usual cars. Trip back was ok too and we used two tanks of diesel in two weeks with a bit left when we got back. Port Isaac is worth a visit...doc Martin site.

Holiday tour. - Engineer Andy

Never said I don't like EVs, in principle they are brilliant but I don't think any of them at the moment....that I could afford....would be able to do the job I need it to do. Went from N Hants down to Looe on the 303 which was reasonably clear. spent ten days in a caravan there and did many trips out.

Despite being down the road (near Liskeard) I've never ventered to Looe (pun not intended!). Many of these picterwsque fishing villages are very nice, but are often tiny and you can walk around them in about an hour or so, and to me aren't really a 'day out' without careful planning of doing other things such as long walks or cycle rides.

Not so bad if there are a few (villages or walks/cycle rides) nearby and with reasonable parking (not cheap). As I discovered in St Ives, some 'walks' aren't exactly 'nice' and more like rock climbing!

The Lizard is a beautiful place but next day's trip to Land's End was a bit disappointing due to the high commercialisation there.

I too was warned off visiting Land's End. If I go back (I've holidayed in Cornwall well over 10 times now), I may visit the Lizard as I've never been there before. I'm always on the lookout for picturesque walks.

Milinak theatre down Penzance way is wonderful, you watch the play or show looking out over the sea but being open air bad weather would not be good. Cornwall has loads of narrow roads and we did a lot of 'after you Claude'.

I've always either been unlucky with teh weather or (as this year) nothing on worth seeing (in the dry weather times) at the Minack theatre. Always wanted to go though. I've also attended a gig at the Carnglaze caverns (near where I normally stay), which is very good, though they sadly don't put on so many gigs nowadays.

The narrow lanes can be a bit of a pain, especially when you have a new car!

Jamaica inn is worth a visit with a museum too featuring a man trap which would take your leg off...banned in 1827 but Kent was still allowing them. Every day featured a trip some where and the old Volvo took it all init's stride. Last four days were a bucket trip stay in the Headland hotel at Newquay. Car park had a Rolls Cullinan, a Bentley and a Tesla or two among the usual cars. Trip back was ok too and we used two tanks of diesel in two weeks with a bit left when we got back. Port Isaac is worth a visit...doc Martin site.

I would recommend the (entire) Camel trail - good for walks, cycling, horse riding and has intermediate towns anda few useful watering holes / eateries to break a journey and for the less able - its not steep either and the surface is good with no nasty main road crossings.

Also has the Bodmin & Wenford steam railway (they do have diesels and events sometimes) about half way along and nearby excellent Lanhydrock stately home and gardens/grounds (NT), which can be visited by car (decent amount of parking, though not free nowadays) , cycle or a 1.75 mile walk from a stop at Bodmin Parkway - both on on that heritage line and the main (very picturesque) line to Penzance.

Holiday tour. - mcb100
‘What would be good is for those Backroomers who own EVs say how they get on whilst on holiday in the UK, especially in some more remote / very rural areas (like Cornwall) where charging points are much more hard to come by, especially ultra fast chargers.’
In contrast to Cornwall, I spent a week on the Isle of Mull in April. Second largest of the Inner Hebrides, and a permanent population of c3000, though massively greater with tourists in summer.
Three 50kW CCS charge points, three 50kW Chademo, some 43kW AC chargers and a couple of public 7kW public points. And a rapid charge on the quayside before getting on the ferry. All were available when I saw them.
I wasn’t in an EV this time, but I will be next time.

Edited by mcb100 on 09/07/2022 at 17:16

Holiday tour. - daveyjp

I've also just returned from a 1400 mile round trip from West Yorkshire to the Isle of Lewis and Harris. 500 miles there and back, with an overnight break on the way up and a 2 night stop on the return. We also covered about 400 miles whilst on the island.

Average mpg 43 and unlike other islands I've been to fuel price was similar to mainland. Although an aging pump which took five seconds to dispense each litre is an issue when you need 50 and the rain is sideways!!

Of relevance to this thread is one of the neighbours where we stayed were a retired couple from Wiltshire and they were doing a 4-6 week tour of Scotland in their Tesla S. No issues with range and no problems whatsoever getting it charged. EV charge points were more common than fuel pumps. Nearest fuel to us was a 30 mile round trip, nearest faster charge EV point about 2 miles, or a cable into the cottage for slow charge.

Holiday tour. - badbusdriver

The OP isn't saying he doesn't like EV

With respect Xileno, he may not have used those words, but he isn't really saying anything else.

I can't see how any ev would have done the trip

Why not, doesn't Cornwall have electricity?.

the cheapest evs are small

Cheapest ICE cars are also small, what's your point?

Remember that high mileage Nissan Leaf taxi from a few years ago?. Where was it based again?

Holiday tour. - alan1302

I can't see how any ev would have done the trip, the cheapest evs are small and have insufficient range.

Maybe try a more expensive one with a larger range?

Holiday tour. - Ethan Edwards

I can't see how any ev would have done the trip, the cheapest evs are small and have insufficient range.

Maybe try a more expensive one with a larger range?

Not necessarily true. Planning beforehand you can find a charge point. 180 to 200 miles completely sufficient. His problem is carrying 3 adults AND a large dog, AND luggage AND Golf clubs. Which means a large vehicle probably an estate. Kinda narrows his choices and they are currently few and far between . Few years and ID4 / Enyaq filter into the second hand market no problem.

Holiday tour. - Chris M

Wiltshire has been mentioned twice in this thread. I'd suggest it's a significantly more affluent area than the majority of Cornwall. The population of Cornwall increases massively during the summer months and any business investing in chargers is going to have to make the money in those months, with the infrastructure standing relatively idle for the rest of the year. That may change in time, but in the short to medium term I'd suggest demand will exceed supply for holidaymakers.

Scotland has also been mentioned as having a good supply of chargers. Probably down to Nicola spending taxpayers money.

Holiday tour. - Chris79

We have been running a Ioniq electric for the last two years. It has been used for short breaks away and as with anything it just requires planning.

We have had to allow for charging time when planning our day as whatever way you spin it it’s several hours. Normally this has been achieved by going for breakfast and a stroll whilst it charges.

Is it as easy as a petrol / diesel car. No. Is it a lot cheaper for us - yes.

if Everywhere had fast charging stations it would become a doddle. How many years away that is I have no idea.

just As an aside I have never regretted going electric and would encourage it should it work for your individual circumstance. Having said that I’m not convinced it’s the future.

Holiday tour. - John F

Wiltshire has been mentioned twice in this thread. I'd suggest it's a significantly more affluent area than the majority of Cornwall.

Your suggestion is a matter of fact. Thanks to the continuing uncivilised centripetal distribution of wealth Cornwall is one of of the poorest areas of northern Europe.

Holiday tour. - Brit_in_Germany

I doubt the list price of a V70d was not insignificant.

Holiday tour. - Chris M

True. But it'll be a while before you can buy a comparable EV for the same money as a 2008 V70.

Holiday tour. - movilogo

Not all cars can do all things. All cars have target market segment and specific lifestyles to suit.

Till now, no one is forcing us to buy EVs.

Personally range of EV doesn't concern me, it is the time to fill up which is frustrating for me.

An ICE car's tank can be filled up in 5 mins. But 45-60 mins wait for EV to charge feels eternity to me :-)

Holiday tour. - Bolt

But 45-60 mins wait for EV to charge feels eternity to me :-)

The way battery tech is going I very much doubt it will take long before a battery can be charged in minutes ie 10 15 minutes, but as its new tech like phones were years ago, to get faster charging we had to wait for the tech to improve

its coming slowly but surely.

Holiday tour. - Chris M

Tesla's V3 super charger is rated at up to 250kw. I know they are trialling opening up their network to the great unwashed but I don't know if a 250kw charger is much use to a Corsa e or MG5 - might go bang!

Holiday tour. - Ethan Edwards

Sure it's of use to a Corsa e or Mokka-e. BUT our EV will charge at its max rate. 100kw and no it won't go bang. Technology isn't the only thing needed here it's a shift in how you think. Most ev owners don't need public chargers much. Overnight home charging suffices. Only on longer trips does the need arise. Which for me is so rare. Since Sept 21 I've gone completely electric. It's been really easy. No downsides yet. I said when it reached 1.40 that's it I'm done.

Holiday tour. - barney100

Bought in 2016 for 8k, 2008 plate.

Holiday tour. - Brit_in_Germany

An 8 year old Tesla 3 might be approaching that amount with the battery warranty about to expire.

Holiday tour. - pd

You'll be hard pressed to find a 8 year old Mk 1 Leaf for £8k.

Holiday tour. - badbusdriver

You'll be hard pressed to find a 8 year old Mk 1 Leaf for £8k.

That isn't fair though, you'd need about £10k now to buy what £8k did in 2016.

But if a more meaningful comparison is made, i.e, new Volvo estate vs new EV, things are a bit more interesting (assuming you believe EV's can be charged in Cornwall of course!).

There is no V70 any more, there is the V60 and V90. Going by boot volume, the V90, while still slightly smaller, is closest to the V70. According to this website, the cheapest one of them is going to set you back just over £42k. Just under £40k would get you into a new Skoda Enyaq iV with the bigger 82kWh battery. This has a greater volume of boot space than the V70 and apparently has a real world range of circa 250 miles, enough to go from Bude to Penzance, back to Bude, then back to Penzance with some change (surely sufficient?).

Holiday tour. - pd

You'll be hard pressed to find a 8 year old Mk 1 Leaf for £8k.

That isn't fair though, you'd need about £10k now to buy what £8k did in 2016.

Sorry, yes, the point I didn't make very well is I'm not sure you will be able to pick up a Model 3 when it is 8 years old for £8k. Not easily anyway.

The residuals on most EVs are excellent at the moment.