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Garage negligence - Andrew-T

I live in a small town on the A56, with a filling station, a VAG specialist-cum-bodyshop and a few small independents. I have used one of those occasionally, and took my 207SW there for an MoT and some basic service jobs (not a 'full service'). This is how I have complained afterwards by email:

(yesterday) the work done was not what I asked for, which was (my words, booked by phone and on a sheet of paper handed to reception) :

- oil and filter change, 10/40 please

- brake fluid change

- MoT test

My car seems to have been given a medium service, plus a MoT test – according to your invoice :

- oil, air, fuel and pollen filters

- ‘full service’

- CV boot kit, to pass the MoT test

The brake fluid, which was due to be changed, was not done. The oil filter was changed as I asked; the other filters were not due for a change. I was also given 0/30 oil, not the grade I asked. There seems little point in my providing a written job list if it is lost or ignored. If I had wanted a regular service I would have asked for that – I never said ‘service’ at any time.

(today) I discovered that there is no sump-guard under the car. I have informed the garage who hope to recover it on Monday, but I shall not be surprised if it was destroyed on Friday as they were ‘very busy’ and probably pushed for time. I called in this morning to report and was offered a free service next time as a sweetener, the manager having produced my job-list which he admitted having not read.

However you have probably lost a customer, which will be a pity as you are conveniently placed for me.

The manager and I parted amicably and I refrained from using the word 'cowboys', but that was before I found the sump-guard missing. Are there other tales of woe to report ? Other than standing over them while they work, how does one prevent this shambles ?

Garage negligence - Steveieb

My partners daughter took her 207SW, which was handed down so in amazing condition to our local clutch and repair centre for an MOT.

A phone call from the garage gave the bad news that during a road test to identify a noise, the car was involved in an accident with a delivery van.

After a week with a hire car the garages insurance offered £2750 for the car which the daughter put towards a Skoda Fabia costing £6500 and which did not offer the space the SW had for carrying a large dog.

So in terms of disappointment I’d say that your experience was maybe typical of the industry?

One of my indies has dropped out and only takes on enough work to cover one car on MOT because it is so hard to estimate how much repair work may be necessary leaving him completely distressed at the end of the day and with disappointed customers.

Garage negligence - Andrew-T

My partners daughter took her 207SW, which was handed down so in amazing condition to our local clutch and repair centre for an MOT.

A phone call from the garage gave the bad news that during a road test to identify a noise, the car was involved in an accident with a delivery van..

If the car was only having an MoT, why were they 'road-testing for a noise' ? Maybe something else was going on ...

Garage negligence - _

I once had a customers Maserati mexico back in 1987 so go to collect some headlamps, nice...

It happens in the trade..

We parked at gatwick a few years back in the short term north terminal for an official pay and display, and found the drivers (eastern european name( debit card down the side of the seat afterwards. Bristol airport parking offsite, left keys, so could be parked in compund, noted mileage.. more than 50 extra on return.. words were had and parking refunded.

You now have to specifically be clear, no test drives, no errands... I now have my rear facing camera in the car and can see if it's been driven. The front one has the nextbase magnetic mount.. so more of a faff to remove for them

Garage negligence - thunderbird

This one is going back 10 years so the fine details are long forgotten but here goes.

Car is 4 years old and needs an MOT and service. Ring up garage and they tell me it needs 5 items:

  1. Oil service
  2. Additional checks at 4 years
  3. Brake Fluid
  4. Pollen Filter
  5. MOT

Total came to a few pounds over £300, booked it in.

Dropped car off, went through the list with reception, left site and waited call to say the had found A, B, C etc, no call. Eventually got call to say all OK, MOT passed, car ready for collection.

Got a pleasant bit of news, bill came to £250 so left happy until I started the car, service light still on. So back into reception, mechanic called and told to sort. He told them that he had not cleared the service light since he had not done the oil change, why not? because its not due till next week.

I was pretty annoyed, another visit to arrange but I became even more livid when they said the oil service would be £150 bring the total to £400 not the just over £300 I had been quoted.

So its getting on now and reception is filling up. Service manager called and I explain what has happened. He calls for the mechanic and asks him why was the oil service not done, he says its was not on the list, I assured them it was pointing out only a mad man would take a car in for 4 items one week and the 5th a week later at a huge cost increase. Mechanic told to carry out oil service whilst I waited, took him about 30 minutes.

Service manager told me they would adjust the invoice to show all 5 items were carried out and all for the £250 I had paid. Got the invoice the following week.

Never went back there.

Garage negligence - Engineer Andy

My partners daughter took her 207SW, which was handed down so in amazing condition to our local clutch and repair centre for an MOT.

A phone call from the garage gave the bad news that during a road test to identify a noise, the car was involved in an accident with a delivery van..

If the car was only having an MoT, why were they 'road-testing for a noise' ? Maybe something else was going on ...

Indeed. I've heard stories that some less reputable garages use cars in for service as courtesy cars for their staff to shuttle back and forth from the town centre or nearest greasy spoon/McD's down the road for lunch, or for those must-do odd jobs at home, etc that somehow get fitted into their 'really busy' works schedule.

For that reason, apart from when I had the clutch replaced (too long a job), I've always stayed at the dealership whilst the work (service or repair) is being undertaken.

Garage negligence - Andrew-T

<< ... apart from when I had the clutch replaced (too long a job), I've always stayed at the dealership whilst the work (service or repair) is being undertaken. >>

If my car is only having a MoT I always wait in the 'viewing area' as the time booked is usually 45 minutes. I'm not aware of any having been for a joyride, but I always forget to record the mileage first, and I have no dashcam (yet) :-(

Garage negligence - Steveieb

The really annoying thing about losing the Peugeot was that it was in perfect condition, suited the family needs and forced the owner to buy a car costing £3500 more as replacement Peugeots weren’t available for the insurance payout money !

Garage negligence - FoxyJukebox
“stay at the dealers”-yes indeed. When I book my car in I always ask how long the work might take , then say “if I drop it in at xx can you ring me when done”.
I also give them a job sheet.
I am particularly suspicious of garages that put a car through an MOT test at -say£50–then do an interim /major service at the same time for price £x which would be charged without an MOT. Service checks duplicated and charged twice?
So-just recently-I booked an MOT and an oil change only-cost £110 and delayed a due service. The car easily passed MOT, all essential checks done plus fresh oil
Garage negligence - Andrew-T
So-just recently-I booked an MOT and an oil change only-cost £110 and delayed a due service. The car easily passed MOT, all essential checks done plus fresh oil

That was basically what I had asked for, plus the overdue brake fluid change - which they forgot about, or actually just overlooked / ignored.

Garage negligence - Andrew-T
So-just recently-I booked an MOT and an oil change only-cost £110 and delayed a due service. The car easily passed MOT, all essential checks done plus fresh oil

That was basically what I had asked for, plus the overdue brake fluid change - which they forgot about, or actually just overlooked / ignored.

Update - this morning (Monday) I asked for a time when I could bring in the car for them to refit the undertray while I waited - 11 o'clock they said. Three hours later I am still at home waiting for a call. When I left the car there were no visible signs of remorse nor valid explanations for their failure. I hope to leave a few barbed comments later today. My email to them has clearly been read, but not yet answered.

Garage negligence - focussed

Leaving undertray screws loose is standard operating procedure for garage mechanics in my experience, but not refitting the undertray is a new one on me!

My worst tale of slack-wristed mechanics goes right back to the early 1970's.

Collecting my new red Mk1 Escort 1300 company car after a service at a big Ford main dealer. I drove out to home through the slow town traffic thinking that the steering felt weird, got out of the 30 limit so speeded up and then the steering wheel was shaking fit to tear it out of my hands. Crawled it home 2 or 3 miles, dark by then so looked at it next morning.

The offside front wheel had the wheel nuts screwed on the studs finger tight the wrong way round, with the taper outwards, Then I noticed an oil leak under the engine, the sump plug was hanging out on the last couple of threads.

I can't remember what the fleet manager did about it after I rang in and asked what he wanted me to do about it - ie fix it myself or leave it to be recovered.

He sent one of the company's other service engineers out to witness it and then I fixed it as I remember.

Shortly after that Hillman Avengers started appearing in the fleet.

Garage negligence - Bromptonaut

One years ago, the other more recent.

Back in the eighties I had a Peugeot 104ZS. An early warm hatch with1124cc and approx 60bhp. Engine was canted 70 degrees back and was a tight fit. If the clutch needed replacing it had to come out.

Collected it after such a job to find (1) electrics at alternator not fully reconnected - no auxiliary headlamp on main beam (2) distributor cap not clipped in correctly - rough running (3) drain for scuttle not correctly positioned which, uncorrected, would have flooded the front footwells as rainwater accumulated.

Much more recently. My first Berlingo had an engine derived from the XUD unit where the valve clearances are set at the factory with shims. After 120,000 miles or so the valves/seats have worn to the point that the exhaust valves sit high in the closed position and rough running on start up becomes an issue. Cure, as documented in Tech advice here, is to remove the camshaft and install additional shims. A known issue going back to the first XUD units from the eighties.

Local PSA specialist Indy, usually good, decided on a compression test that the head was probably cracked and diagnosed an exchange engine.

Only after I got fairly assertive about obliging a long standing customer would he look into the valve clearances. Should be a few fractions of a mm cold. Actual reading cold was nil!!

Once done it ran like a dream for rest of my ownership.

Garage negligence - badbusdriver

Back in the eighties I had a Peugeot 104ZS. An early warm hatch with1124cc and approx 60bhp.

My PE teacher at school had a Talbot Samba, which was the same thing save the badge. If memory serves, most of the underpinnings were carried on to 205

Garage negligence - Bromptonaut

My PE teacher at school had a Talbot Samba, which was the same thing save the badge. If memory serves, most of the underpinnings were carried on to 205

The Samba and the Citroen LNA were both very similar to the 'shortcut' 104 though I've an idea the Samba was a little bigger. Mechanicals and some cabin trim and controls were also common to the Citroen Visa.

Some of the engines initially carried over to the 205 but not sure they retained the Mini type gearbox in sump set up of the 104. They may have done though until the TU series engines came on stream c1988/9.

Garage negligence - Crickleymal

Much more recently. My first Berlingo had an engine derived from the XUD unit where the valve clearances are set at the factory with shims. After 120,000 miles or so the valves/seats have worn to the point that the exhaust valves sit high in the closed position and rough running on start up becomes an issue. Cure, as documented in Tech advice here, is to remove the camshaft and install additional shims. A known issue going back to the first XUD units from the eighties.

Local PSA specialist Indy, usually good, decided on a compression test that the head was probably cracked and diagnosed an exchange engine.

Only after I got fairly assertive about obliging a long standing customer would he look into the valve clearances. Should be a few fractions of a mm cold. Actual reading cold was nil!!

Once done it ran like a dream for rest of my ownership.

I had the same with my Berlingo. in Cheltenham didn't believe it was tight valves at first. Then later on I trusted them to do a cambelt change. Picked the car up and noticed a rev dependent whirring noise. Took it back and they found the cambelt was too tight. About 6 months later coming down the M5 from work the camshaft snapped. I believe the two are connected but it was impossible to prove.

Edited, no naming and shaming.

ORB

Edited by _ORB_ on 20/03/2022 at 16:24

Garage negligence - bathtub tom

I had an indie do the camshaft belt on a MK1, diesel Focus. Couple of weeks later the injector pump destroyed itself. The camshaft locking bolt should be loosened to accurately set the camshaft timing. I asked if this was done and how. Of course they replied, with a windy gun. I suspect the shock load was transmitted to the pump, which weakened it.

£1K it cost me, haven't had a diesel since.

Garage negligence - focussed

"After 120,000 miles or so the valves/seats have worn to the point that the exhaust valves sit high in the closed position and rough running on start up becomes an issue. Cure, as documented in Tech advice here, is to remove the camshaft and install additional shims. A known issue going back to the first XUD units from the eighties"

More shims close up the clearance - taking shims out increase the clearance

Garage negligence - Andrew-T

More shims close up the clearance - taking shims out increase the clearance

Why ? More shims will push the valve further off the seat (the rest position is on the seat under spring pressure) ?

Garage negligence - focussed

More shims close up the clearance - taking shims out increase the clearance

Why ? More shims will push the valve further off the seat (the rest position is on the seat under spring pressure) ?

What's described is when the valves are "pocketed" on a high mileage engine - the valve head has worn into the valve seat in the head and closed up the clearance.

To get back to having some clearance when the valve cam follower in on the base circle of the cam when the valve is closed - shims need to be removed or thinner shims fitted.

Garage negligence - Bromptonaut

Why ? More shims will push the valve further off the seat (the rest position is on the seat under spring pressure) ?

Got that the wrong way round. I know it involved the camshaft being out/in at least twice.

Garage negligence - Andrew-T

My worst tale of slack-wristed mechanics goes right back to the early 1970's.

It must have been about then that I took a car (feels like a Mini, but may have been something else) to the local BL dealer. A few days later I looked underneath to find a ring spanner hanging off the transmission housing .... It was added to my toolbox.

Garage negligence - _

I won't say where, but it was a multi franchise dealer in those days, I went to the "Oil change bay" and there was a collection of a LOT of brand new oil filters on shelves..

Often work not done and invoiced... Had several rows over it..

Garage negligence - Steveieb

My work colleague took her Toyota to the main dealer for its first service and was concerned with all the excuses she received when it wasn’t ready for collection after a week.

She went down to the workshop in her lunch time only to find her new car on the ramp with the sump removed. The mechanics were at lunch but one of them told her the car had been started after draining the oil without filling it up again.

They were checking to see if any damage had been done to the bearings!

Garage negligence - Xileno

I'm afraid I can't match these tales of woe... in all the garages I've used whether indies or main dealers I've been satisfied. Maybe on occasion the bill was a bit higher than I expected but other times lower. When I switched from Renault to Ford main dealer the bill seemed to be about half. Years ago I had a Golf and used an independent VW Audi specialist only a couple of miles away from me now. I kept it serviced there and needed a new clutch. A few years later it made an intermittent noise when the pedal was down, a sort of feint whistling sound. I asked them to look at it on the next service and when I went to pick it up they said they had put a new clutch in FOC. It must have been well outside any kind of warranty period.

Garage negligence - Steveieb

My friend had his Peugeot 307 serviced at the main dealer underwarranty but later had it serviced by the trusted mobile who had an impeccable reputation.

Suddenly he trusted the mobile to change the cam belt after checking he had the cam locking tool.

Disaster struck when the engine went bang and it turned out the mobile man had forgotten to take the locking tool out after changing the belt.

Garage negligence - Crickleymal

I had another garage and tyre place in Cheltenham fit two front tyres. Next day driving to work I hear a clunking sound. I found both front wheels had loose wheel nuts. The garage didn't care.

Later on my neighbour dented my car. She knew someone at the same garage so said she could get a discount on the repair. My car was in there for a week and they did nothing. Took it away and rebooked it for later. Then they couldn't do the work because "Rats have chewed through the computer wiring". I took it to a local body shop I'd used before, got it back the same day as I'd booked it in and £50 cheaper.

Garage negligence - Andrew-T

FINAL UPDATE - my sign-off message to this bunch of cowboys today :

Thank you for refitting my under-tray today, only 4 days after the car went in for work which was charged for a total of one hour’s labour. A cursory glance suggests that it should stay in place for a while, but it has not been fitted with any apparent attempt at thoroughness or tidiness – cable-ties are a botch job in my opinion. I cannot help wondering whether I would have been told the under-tray was missing (I wasn’t told on Friday), or continued oblivious until the next MoT. The only reason I looked under the car was to examine the new CV boot – lucky I did.

I cannot help wondering why it needed repair, as it was the same one reported by you at the last MoT, and renewed then. On top of the shortcomings already mentioned, you will not be surprised if I don’t take up your kind offer of a free service next time. I would hope that in similar circumstances you might make the same decision. By now you will probably expect nothing else.

Garage negligence - paul 1963

I would escalate this to trading standards Andrew..and ask for your money back..