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ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - _

I came across this in my reading of some old files available online.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cm...f

Not amusing at all.


Fix-it
MG Rover management believe that they have a viable company; they are
the “fix it” team. Much of the foregoing has addressed the plans that are
in place to fix MG Rover, and gives opinion as to the likelihood of success.
BMW tried to “fix-it” at Rover for six years, and having destroyed
substantial value for BMW shareholders, opted to “sell-it”.
Sell-it
When BMW despaired of fixing Rover Group it chose to sell it. The Land
Rover operation was relatively successful, had value, and was sold as a
going concern to Ford Motor Company. BMW kept the completely updated
factory at Cowley as the production site for its new Mini. On a short-term
basis it also kept the engine plant at Longbridge and pressing plant at
Swindon: it is presently active in finding a buyer for these sites. This left
the Longbridge assembly plant that no one wanted unless BMW provided it
debt free and with a £500m cash legacy.
Given that BMW had to pay to get Longbridge off its hands, could
Longbridge be sold again? One year after BMW sold the plant to
Phoenix/MG Rover nothing has changed in substance, nothing has happened
to change the value of the business. In 2000, BMW could not find an
existing car maker to buy Rover. Discussion with corporate financiers
reveals that there is still no demand to buy MG Rover. The Longbridge site
is well located for the Midlands motorway network and may have value as a
business/retail park.
Close-it
This remains the most likely outcome at MG Rover and the Longbridge
engine plant. In giving MG Rover the cash legacy of £500m, BMW was, in
effect, saying, “This is what it would have cost to fire you guys, but if you
would rather use the money to try and make a go of it...”. By operating the
plant for three or four years, the management have really opted for a
salary until 2004 rather than a redundancy payment from BMW in 2000.
When MG Rover becomes insolvent and has to close the plant there will not
be any money to make redundancy payments. For the workers this will
have probably been a better option because they will have got more money
from the combination of the £500m cash legacy, the extended operating
period, and the debt built up in the final years of operation. The only
losers will be the shareholders of any bank that has lent to MG Rover.
Recommendations
If every car plant in North America were to shut, it would still be possible
to make more cars than the world wants to buy. With massive excess
capacity only the most efficient car plants will survive. MG Rover will not
be one of these, just as Luton and Dagenham did not survive.
This is not a blow to the UK motor industry. If the most efficient plants of
Nissan, Honda, or Toyota closed or scaled down it would be a blow. But it
is a blow to the people employed by the plants that close, and the people
employed by the companies that supply those plants.
Problems at MG Rover are politically significant because the social
implications for the people involved combine with a closure of symbol of
national virility (the production of cars).

The real story is not at MG Rover, but at Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Jaguar,
which although not owned by British companies are successful through the
efforts of British workers. These workers are the forgotten people of the
motor industry in Britain. They are successful, yet unsung, whereas the
employees of MG Rover have failed (many times) and are held high in the
sympathies of the Nation.
So it is just a matter of time before MG Rover is in trouble, and just a
matter of time before its anguish takes the Nation’s attention. But this
time it will be death by its own hand, there will be no big bad BMW to
blame. What to do?
• Understand and praise the real motor industry in Britain – the
Nation needs to feel pride and success about our motor
industry.
• Compare success (Nissan, Toyota, & Jaguar) with failure
(Luton, Dagenham) and challenge the failure rather than
sympathising with it –- We need to understand that MG Rover
is a small failure against a background of general success.
• Don’t blame anyone for the macro-economic inevitability of
MG Rover’s demise, the decisions that set it on this course
happened in 1994 when BAe sold to BMW -– none of the
current managers or workers is to blame.

Edited by _ORB_ on 09/03/2022 at 17:44

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - craig-pd130

Sad reading indeed. And of course the Phoenix Four ruthlessly stripped the post-BMW company of cash (over £40 million in dividends and pensions in less than 5 years, plus expensive consultancy fees for their cronies) before it went under.

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - Trilogy.

Interestingly they had a 4WD MG ready for launch.

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - Steveieb

Rovers demise or Road to Hell was sealed when they turned down the opportunity to collaborate with Honda .

The Triumph Acclaim based on the Honda Ballade was probably the most reliable and well sorted car the company ever made.

But things went downhill when the new generation 213 and 216 was launched with the 216 fitted with the troublesome engine with cylinder head problems.

Rover at Oxford and Honda co located at Swindon would seem to make good sense, but BMWs desire to get hold of the Range Rover secrets may have been the driving force.

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - nellyjak

Rovers demise or Road to Hell was sealed when they turned down the opportunity to collaborate with Honda .

The Triumph Acclaim based on the Honda Ballade was probably the most reliable and well sorted car the company ever made.

.

Not forgetting the Rover 600..!

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - _

1989 rover 200?. I had a 216 (honda engined gti. great fun. J314toe

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - Steveieb

The Rover 800 based on the Honda Legend wasn’t such a great success with the dreaded KV6 engine.

When sold in the US the Legend outsold the 800 every time even though they were made in the same plant.

Same Honda bashing went on in Formula One when they sold the newly refurbished HQ including a wind tunnel to Ross Braun and suddenly Braun Racing were world champions,. Even through in Jenson Buttons services for good measure.

Now they have up sticks and retreated to Japan, even taking their world beating F1 engine division which was based in Milton Keynes.

We owe Honda an apology for the way the UK has treated them. Let’s hope Toyota don’t decide to up sticks too. Their manufacturing plant in Derby and Wrexham soldier on building probably some of the best cars made in the world here on our doorstep with a dedicated British workforce.

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - Gibbo_Wirral

Some amazing photos in the closed factory around 2006:

www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/rover-factory-longbr.../

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - _

The Rover 800 based on the Honda Legend wasn’t such a great success with the dreaded KV6 engine.

The 800 was first sold with the Honda.2.5 v6 and then with the 2.7 which was splendid.
I had both, the 2.5 was a demo car and was underpowered.
After that I had a 2.7 vitesse long bumper version in 1990 in switzerland. Nothing wrong with it at all.

I was sad when it went, so many memories, and those old colleagues and aquaintances.

There were good times, but the writing was on the wall in 1994.

Edited by _ORB_ on 10/03/2022 at 12:36

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - Miniman777

Let’s hope Toyota don’t decide to up sticks too. Their manufacturing plant in Derby and Wrexham soldier on building probably some of the best cars made in the world here on our doorstep with a dedicated British workforce.

I think it unlikely Toyota will up sticks. Their Corolla hybrid hatch and estates sell in decent quantities, and only last month, Toyota and rail freight company DB Cargo (part of Deutsche Bahn) inaugurated a twice a week export car train.

This runs from Toton, between Derby and Nottingham, to Toyota's French plant at Valenciennes, replacing the sea crossing. By sea, cars took 5 days to get to Valenciennes, by rail it is one day. I understand the service will go to 3 times per week in the spring, and connect to Toyota's Czech plant.

A bonus is Yaris cars built in France are imported on the same rail wagons, then moved to Burnaston for UK distribution using the same fleet of car transporters that brought the Corollas to the rail loading point. It's take 4 years of planning and negotiation to achiveve this rail service, so Toyota are here for the long term IMO.

Worth adding that Mini use rail for export distribution (Oxford to Southampton) as do JLR (from Halewood to Southampton, less often Castle Bromwich to Southampton) and Ford, too.

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - galileo

1989 rover 200?. I had a 216 (honda engined gti. great fun. J314toe

I had one of those 216 Rovers, excellent performance, I had to part with it after someone ran into it when parked and wrecked it!

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - Random

Rovers demise or Road to Hell was sealed when they turned down the opportunity to collaborate with Honda .


BAE wanted Honda to buy Rover but they didn't want the company 100% therefore it was sold to BMW.

MG Rover died as a result of a catalogue of poor decisions over many years.

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - Xileno

A shame Alchemy did not get to take them over, I think as a small specialist manufacturer of MGs they might have been successful. Possibly some kind of tie-up with Lotus? Instead we got rehashed Rovers launched as Z models which weren't bad but you knew the underlying car was just too old. Then a policy of removing anything from the models that people might not notice to save money.

ANY - Briefing document MG Rover prior to collapse. - Terry W

In the 1960s BL had a dominant UK market share and decent export business. Good designs, albeit fragmented branding.

BMW, VW, Audi had yet to make a mark. Mk 1 Golf was introduced in 1974 to replace an aging Beetle. BMW introduced the first decent car (1602) in 1967, Audi sat behind the iron curtain. Japan had barely finished making Austin A40s based on UK designs.

The failure of BL over the next 4 decades is a tale of misguided government interference, disruptive strike happy unions, and rubbish management. Their not quite final incarnation was included the Phoenix four who were later banned from holding a directorship.

To much rose tinted glasses, and not enough blunt honesty in the debate over a protracted self inflicted failure.