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Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Metropolis.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1984-Austin-Ambassador-2-0-HLS-...0
Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Xileno

Check out the profile of those tyres. Almost no need for suspension...

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Metropolis.
I wish that would return. Its funny how it suits that car, but put that kind of sidewall on a modern car and it looks out of place, like the design aesthetic is intended to rely on big rims.
Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Trilogy.

That is hideous.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Metropolis.
Lol. Its of its time, no worse than any other hatchback to my eyes.
Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Trilogy.

Your eyes have quite clearly forgotten the Rover SD1, VW Golf, Ford Fiesta, Renault 5 etc.

Already on a loser being based on the Princess.

Edited by Trilogy. on 17/02/2022 at 13:33

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Metropolis.
Apart from the SD1, the others were on my mind when I wrote that. SD1 looked decent with a subtle wing. Not really a fan of hatchbacks but it’s all in the eye of the beholder!
Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Trilogy.

Never thought of the SD1 as a plane.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - bathtub tom

I had an Ambassador. 185/70 x 14s IIRC. Fantastic for lugging the family around and I once had a 10'6" ladder in it with the tailgate shut. Terrible in every other respect. That one looks 'well pumped up', as they would drop due to pressure loss in the hydrogas and the front metalastic bushes collapsing. I could go on, but it'll only bore you.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Metropolis.
Please do go on, its interesting!
Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - bathtub tom
Please do go on, its interesting!

The Ambassador was heavier than the Princess and I didn't like that 'O' series engine (although it was used in the later Princess). The 1.7 was gutless compared to the torque of the old 1.8 'B' series and although the 'O' series (allegedly) had greater power, I found it was far less economical the the 'B' series. I never experienced the 2.0 'O'series.

The 'O' series had the thermostat in a seperate housing on top of the engine that was designed so that you could pull it out with your fingers. By the time it needed replacing, you couldn't budge the damn thing, so you'd remove the complete housing and take it to the workbench. You'd knock seven shades of **** out of it, before the housing would eventually break with the t/stat still stuck inside it. BL dealers always had a good supply of t/stats and housings. I learned to wiggle the t/stat every time I checked the oil.

There was an 'O' ring inside the head gasket on the high pressure oil feed for the camshaft. It seemed designed to fail after about 10K, squirting oil all over the engine bay. The head gasket was re-designed with a copper insert replacing the 'O' ring. A head off job to replace a tuppeny-halfpenny component!

They had an HIF carb. A strange device that would put the inlet manifold depression in the top of the float chamber under certain circumstances. This meant that as you started to lift off the throttle, the engine would pink like mad.

The petrol feed to the carb was also too close to the exhaust manifold. When you parked up after a long run, the petrol on the fuel pipe could vaporise, pressurising the petrol in the carb, causing it to overflow and making the car stink of petrol.

The (16 gal?) petrol tank was in the shape of a flat triangle, with the apex forward. The filler neck was in a back corner. Fill it up on a hot day and park on a slope with the front higher than the back, then the 'bubble' at the apex of the tank could expand, forcing petrol out of the filler neck (although this was also true of Princesses).

The front suspension upper arm was pivoted on a metallastic bush (a metal/rubber/metal/rubber/metal sandwich) that transmitted suspension movement to the hydragas cylinder. This bush would gradually collapse over time, causing the car to sink. It was a right pig to change. I found a workshop that was willing to give it a try and removed both my front suspension arms for them. After week they'd got nowhere, so I retrieved them and had a go myself. I resorted to using s heat gun to melt the rubber and push out the two inner metal tubes and then hacksawing a slot in the outer tube so I could smash it out with a hammer. Took me hours and broke my thumb in the process!

The front discs on mine would distort, causing bad brake judder. They were replaced a couple of times under warranty, but the problem was never cured. I resorted to replacing them every eighteen months or so.

On cold, damp days the back brakes would snatch on their first application, causing the back of the car to drop (hydrolastics) with a bang. Tried all sorts of cure, nothing worked. Learned to live with it.

The exhaust front pipe had a ball and socket joint designed to accommodate engine movement. There were a couple of springs across this joint to stop it pulling apart - they didn't. I found the earlier Princess part was a good fit and it had this joint without the springs. I fitted an exhaust clamp either side of the joint with a couple of thin metal straps under the nuts. A much cheaper and more durable solution.

Just remembered they had an electric petrol pump that only operated if the oil light was off (unless the starter was operating), presumably to prevent petrol being fed after an accident. I used to remove the wire from the oil pressure switch as an anti-theft device if I was leaving the car for a few days. I came back to the car in a car park after a couple of days away and forgot to replace the wire. The car started and got me to the exit barrier where it promptly cut out just as the barrier was descending. There was I, bonnet up, trying to re-connect the wire whilst holding the barrier up!

Edited by bathtub tom on 17/02/2022 at 22:47

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Metropolis.
I asked, and you delivered. Many thanks for the detailed reply, love stuff like this.
Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Metropolis.
“Already on a loser being based on the Princess“

Maybe not trendy but it was a well sorted, comfortable platform by that stage. Only really meant as a stop gap for them before new models arrived.
Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - bathtub tom

Already on a loser being based on the Princess.

I went down the Maxi, Princess, Ambassador route and would rate the Princess above the Ambassador. Wish I'd never changed mine for the Ambassador.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - badbusdriver

I prefer the looks of the Princess (especially the twin headlight version) over the Ambassador, but I don't dislike the Ambassador.

Brings back memories of Terry and June!.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - catsdad

I managed a car rental branch in the mid-70s. We had these on fleet. Something in the rear suspension ( maybe a bush?) used to routinely fail within weeks of delivery. Parts ran out and the fix was to get them welded.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Trilogy.

The mistake was not making the Princess a hatch from the start, leaving specialists to do the job.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Xileno

Same as the AllAgro, could so easily have been a hatch to compete with the Golf.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - catsdad

And the Mini and the 1100. The latter also had a rear bench seat-base secured by one self tapper. I whipped the base out and transported a twin tub washing machine in mine. Maybe that’s where Honda got the ideas for Magic Seats?

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Chris M

"The latter also had a rear bench seat-base secured by one self tapper"

Are you sure the designer wasn't thinking of future owners whipping the seat out to prop up against the rear of the car in the same way that buses did when they broke down?

images.app.goo.gl/zpHx1ASxr79QpGeH9

Edited by Chris M on 17/02/2022 at 17:57

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Random

Mr Crayford to the rescue. www.aronline.co.uk/the-converters/crayford/princes.../

www.aronline.co.uk/the-converters/crayford/history/

40 years of the Ambassador.www.aronline.co.uk/facts-and-figures/raise-a-glass.../

Edited by Random on 17/02/2022 at 18:12

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - Ethan Edwards

I'd have preferred a Princess. I owned a Princess2 2litre HL auto in cashmere metallic. Brown velour. Comfy big load lugger. Superb O series engine. Let down by tin worm and mediocre engineering. Kept needing rear wheel suspension straps and the cast iron exhaust manifold kept cracking. Crying out for a stainless alternative but none available at the time. I loved that car.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - badbusdriver

"The latter also had a rear bench seat-base secured by one self tapper"

Are you sure the designer wasn't thinking of future owners whipping the seat out to prop up against the rear of the car in the same way that buses did when they broke down?

images.app.goo.gl/zpHx1ASxr79QpGeH9

I'm pretty sure the seats on a Citroen 2CV can be whipped out easily (to be used if you stop for a picnic?)

My wife used to have a 3rd gen (1999) VW Polo, and to remove the rear seat bases on it all you needed to do was tip them forward and push the ends of the two metal hinge/arms towards each other till they came out of the retaining slots. The front seats could be removed by popping off two plastic clips at the rear end of each runner, squeeze together and pull out the single metal retaining clip at the front, then slide the seat out the back of the runners.

I worked at a VW dealer in the early noughties and because it was so easy to remove the front seats, I would do it as a matter of course when valeting a used car.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - bathtub tom

The mistake was not making the Princess a hatch from the start, leaving specialists to do the job.

I think the Princess wasn't stiff enough to turn into a hatch, without adding lots of additional metal to beef it up. I think that was a major shortfall of the Ambassador, it weighed a lot more.

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - SLO76
Pals dad had two of them, a red 1.7L and a later 2.0 HLS in blue. Both were robust and comfortable but very dated by the late 80’s when he had them and the constant lopsided suspension was a real image crusher. They should’ve stuck with simple springs. I’ve only ever driven one and I found it comfy and practical but again it was leaning like the tower of Pisa. No one wanted them, apart from my pals dad.

Edited by SLO76 on 17/02/2022 at 18:31

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - alan1302

Shame it was not a Y reg :-(

Chance to buy an Austin, from the JLR collection - galileo

I had a 2 litre Princess for a couple of years, then passed it on to a son who ran it for a few years himself.

My trusty independent garage pressurised the suspension when it had gradually lowered a bit, the only other issue I had was having to adjust gear selection when reverse became tricky to select.