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All the car you need? - SLO76
A wee conversation about cars in the staff canteen today resulted in me being asked, what used car would I describe as all the car you’d ever need? It came about during the usual spat involving a fellow driver talking about buying a daft twin turbo diesel BMW 335d for £5000. An all too frequent convo involving someone on an ordinary wage with little spare money thinking that buying a highly complex prestige turbocharged car would be an astute move and me arguing that it would not.

I’ve described many cars over the years as being a wise used option but to meet the status of all the car you’d ever need takes something a bit more. You can find reliability with a Toyota Auris or a Honda Jazz but both are utterly dull to drive so it misses out the driver appeal many of us still want in our cars.

I’ve suggested many cars over the years fitted this profile.

Nissan Primera 2.0 LS 5dr Mk I - Drove as well as a Pug 405 but lasted as long as a Bluebird. Brilliant things.

Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX Mk I 5dr - Perfect in almost every way at the time.

Ford Focus 1.6 LX 5dr Mk I - Brilliant handling yet reliable, comfortable and cheap to run.

Mazda 3 2.0 Sport - Great fun yet practical. Enough power yet no worse on fuel day to day than the 1.6 models.

Honda Civic 2.0 Type S 5dr - All the practicality and reliability of this model of Civic but with Rev happy 158bhp motor and firmed (but not too firm) up handling.


Today I’d put the honour on the Mk III Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec petrol. These do everything well, the offer Japanese levels of reliability but the dynamics are a level above the likes of the Honda Civic or Toyota Auris. They’re cheap for parts and inexpensive to buy compared to rivals but above all they’re still fun to drive. They fulfil every requirement a rational thinking family man or woman should need from a car. If you need more space they even give you the option of a neat estate too.

What in your opinion is “all the car you need” when talking about used cars?

All the car you need? - craig-pd130

It's a good question. Our office car park (shared across several businesses) used to have a very nice Volvo 850 T5 auto estate, which I used to think was the ideal candidate. Yes, it's turbocharged but those Volvo petrol 5-potters were very strong motors.

Now I'd say a Honda Accord petrol as they're nice looking, roomy and not often seen.

All the car you need? - Ian_SW

Having a "prestige" brand makes some people feel good about themselves, so perhaps should be included as well as considering whether it's good to drive.

Applying that criteria as well, possibly something like a base model Audi A3 might fit the bill. Reliability would be nothing special, but not too bad either and most mechanical parts are shared with cheaper cars so maintenance costs away from a main dealer would be cheap enough.

Most of us on here would know that you could have got almost the same car, but newer if it had a Seat badge on it, but the price premium and risk isn't that huge for someone who really wants that premium badge.

All the car you need? - nellyjak

Wouldn't know where to start with that one, SLO...I'm more "all the car I WANT"..lol

All the car you need? - Xileno

If you don't need much space, something like an Aygo or one of the PSA clones that still used the Daihatsu engine. Cheap to run, reliable and can squeeze into tiny parking spaces.

All the car you need? - Metropolis.
Toyota Land Cruiser Amazon. Designed with a 25 year service life in mind. Can tow, is comfortable, spacious and does basically everything. You would never need another vehicle for any purpose I can think of.
All the car you need? - SLO76
Toyota Land Cruiser Amazon. Designed with a 25 year service life in mind. Can tow, is comfortable, spacious and does basically everything. You would never need another vehicle for any purpose I can think of.

Great cars, excluded from my wee list on account of their cost but I am a big fan. Get one, rust treat the underneath and it’ll outlast you. It won’t be cheap to run though.
All the car you need? - John F

This question depends upon whether or not one has access to a partner's car for family use and occasional transportation of cumbersome items. During the last 40yrs I have had access to Mrs F's two Passat estates, a Focus estate and currently a Peugeot 2008 SUV. So all I have really 'needed' for my low mileage self is - yes, you've guessed - a well made reliable classic British sports car.

All the car you need? - SLO76
“a well made reliable classic British sports car.”

There was such a thing? ;-)
All the car you need? - John F

“a well made reliable classic British sports car.”

There was such a thing? ;-)

O-o-o-oh yes! My TR7 is an (occasionally) shining example of manufacturing excellence and durability. It has never failed to start or proceed (apart from once needing a push in snow). The only big bills in its nearly 42 years of depreciation-free existence (ignoring inflation) were a rejuvenating full body tart up and respray plus a stainless steel exhaust in 1992, and a new water pump in 2002. I agree the early 4 speed g/box Speke ones were a national embarrassment, but the DHC cars from the short lived Canley and Cowley production lines were built properly.

All the car you need? - Trilogy.

Mark3 Focus is in the too much technology territory. My vote goes to the MK2 or 2.5 instead.

All the car you need? - badbusdriver

If you don't need much space, something like an Aygo or one of the PSA clones that still used the Daihatsu engine. Cheap to run, reliable and can squeeze into tiny parking spaces.

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Toyota Land Cruiser Amazon. Designed with a 25 year service life in mind. Can tow, is comfortable, spacious and does basically everything. You would never need another vehicle for any purpose I can think of.

These two consecutive answers pretty much sums up the problems of the question. Two more disparate cars you'd struggle to find, yet both given as the answer to the same question!.

Much as I admire the Land Cruiser, I couldn't consider one as a car I'd need. Want maybe, but need?, no.

Xileno's suggestion is far closer to what I need in a car, though ultimately it is just a little too small. I could and would certainly manage with a Suzuki Ignis, but not with the AGS gearbox which hampers our's. One of the facelift models with the CVT transmission would do fine. But given the choice, I'd go a little bigger still (though crucially no wider) and have a new Jazz.

All the car you need? - JonestHon
Toyota Land Cruiser Amazon. Designed with a 25 year service life in mind. Can tow, is comfortable, spacious and does basically everything. You would never need another vehicle for any purpose I can think of.

Great cars, excluded from my wee list on account of their cost but I am a big fan. Get one, rust treat the underneath and it’ll outlast you. It won’t be cheap to run though.

If you can even get one www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60078594

All the car you need? - barney100

Volvo V70, 2.4d. Cavernous boot, cruises all day with decent MPG and comfort.

All the car you need? - Engineer Andy
Toyota Land Cruiser Amazon. Designed with a 25 year service life in mind. Can tow, is comfortable, spacious and does basically everything. You would never need another vehicle for any purpose I can think of.

Anything of that ilk normally lasts ages - after all, they are the choice of most people in poorer nations (good and bad) after they've been passed on from the developed world. Remember that poor old small truck on (Clarkson era) Top Gear - how much of a beating it could take?

All the car you need? - Manatee

"All the car you need" to me means utility, need as opposed to desire,, with genuinely useful design and few fripperies. 'Performance' doesn't matter at all within reason and I can think of very few cars that wouldn't meet that criterion.

My wife's Roomster impresses me and I use it quite often. I can enjoy driving nearly any car that isn't too understeery, and the Roomster 1.2TSI 105PS is actually quite perky too and certainly better from a driver's point of view than its predecessor, a 2002 Civic, which we loved for its space and reliability. The Roomie is no longer made but I'd consider a Fabia estate were we to replace it.

In the back the Roomster has acres of legroom and doors that one hardly needs to bend down to get through, once in you can put your top hat back on.Unlike many supposed luxury cars it's actually quite pleasant to travel in the back of. The vertical rear hatch makes it great for tip runs and furniture moving with the seats down.

Not necessarily a great second hand proposition, with a fairly complex direct injection turbo petrol engine and a DSG box, but so far it works really well. The only drawback is low speed close manoeuvring with the DSG so we drive around that and on the move it's rarely in the wrong gear We paid £12k new in 2014, we've had 7 years out of it and expect another 5 or so, if spared.

Thinking back, the first car I remember thinking of as supremely useful was a VW Polo I was given as a company car in 1979. Despite having only 40PS and a 0-60 time of about 20s, it always felt lively with 1 up. A full load of passengers left it gasping a bit but, for its time, it really was a decent little car. No frills, just beautifully made and a joy to use after having driven 60's-designed cars - the Polo drove like a much bigger car than it was, with decent interior space and good ride.

I won't be buying any more cars for the forseeable future, having spent most of my 'fortune' building a house over the last 18 months. My "do everything" car is a diesel auto Outlander now, and my fun car is an MX-5. But I still enjoy driving the Outlander, which is actually far better as an auto than a manual which I had previously.

Today's status or 'premium' cars, most of which which I consider to be massively overpowered, don't interest me at all. Nor do EVs for the moment. My own favourite family car I think was a 1994 Saab 900 - brilliant seats, as fast as can be useful on public roads, and the opposite of ostentatious. My least favourite was a '96 Galaxy diesel, a lumbering and noisy beast.

Edited by Manatee on 21/01/2022 at 23:08

All the car you need? - Dcoa93
Skoda Octavia falls into this, I assume?
All the car you need? - Manatee
Skoda Octavia falls into this, I assume?

I've never owned one, but I should think so. All those taxi drivers can't be wrong.

All the car you need? - John F

My favourite all rounder was our supremely competent 1983 VW Passat GL5 Estate, bought in 1984 for $5500 (can't do pound signs on this) with 13,000 miles, and traded in for virtually nothing in 1994 at 192,000 miles. It had an excellent powertrain, was lovely to drive, brilliant in snow and had a really practical roof rack - just a few square section bars which clipped into the permanent roof rails when needed. Best VFM in terms of pence per mile we have ever had.

All the car you need? - thunderbird

We have owned 3 of the cars mentioned on that list and desired (if that's the correct word) a 4th.

First was a Bluebird. 1988 1.8 with loads of kit. Bought it very cheap at 1 year old (£3000) because it had been involved in an accident and clearly not very well repaired. Not the greatest driving car and not very economical but at least for 4 1/2 years of our ownership it was reliable. Then the rack started to leak power steering fluid, the radiator core was falling out and worst of all it became a sod to start. No compression in cylinder no. 3. The poor body repairs were showing through by then so time to go. PX'd for £1500. A £1500 loss is 5 years still made it a bargain.

At that time dad had a 1994 Primera 1.6 which was way better and bought at 6 months old was a bargain (£5000 off new). We decided a 2 litre would suit us (no 1.8's made) but the only ones we could find were stupid money (£4000 more than the 1.6's). We looked at the 1.8 Carina E which did not impress us so we bought a 1994 1.8 Mondeo with low miles. It was fine as a package but we never really gelled with the car, still preferred dads Primera to be honest.

So in 1998 we swapped it for a new Mk 1 Focus 1.8. Absolutely brilliant in every way, kept it 10 years. 100% reliability and rust free.

All the car you need? - SLO76
“ My favourite all rounder was our supremely competent 1983 VW Passat GL5 Estate,”

Another car I liked. Solid family wagon with a strong and tuneful 5cyl injected motor upfront.
All the car you need? - mcb100
The 335d is actually all the car I’d need.
Lots of performance, decent economy when driven steadily, four full seats for when I’ve passengers onboard, and if it’s a touring it’ll be OK for the occasional tip runs.
Apparently complex cars don’t worry me - I’m currently putting 25,000 miles a year on an 07 Jaguar S-Type diesel. Apart from slightly crusty rear wheel arches it’s doing sterling service.
All the car you need? - Dcoa93
They also do say ‘there is a Golf for everybody!’
All the car you need? - Big John

I'd need to wind the clock back a bit but my favourite car of all time was a Saab 9000. The most comfortable car I've ever driven(amazing seats!), very quiet at speed, fabulous ride and for the time pretty economical. The light pressure turbo engine had a real go about it.

All the car you need? - Alby Back
What I actually need, and fortunately, what I actually have, is a large estate car. Any large estate car would do, but I suppose I prefer the offerings of some manufacturers over others.
All the car you need? - kerbed enthusiasm

A Mazda Premacy diesel. Utterly brilliant car. Had it for seven years. Remove the back seats and it became a van for transporting children to and from university. It leaned into corners but then gripped like a bulldog - no other MPV came close. 50mpg and a DI engine rather than the common rail shenanigans: loads of turbo lag but when the turbo kicked in you got a wave of torque for overtaking. If they still made them, I'd buy one immediately.

All the car you need? - sandy56

For years I ran a Suzuki Alto, for commuting to the office and airport. Let for weeks at airport or office. Never failed to start. Never serviced in 4 or 5 years. Replaced one tyre and had exhaust repaired ( about £30 I think in local garage. MOt passed every year. Charm free but unburstable. My other car was a Ford Escort RS200 '78 vintage, still regret selling that one.

All the car you need? - blindspot

i always said of my hyundai i10 was all the car you need.

had smooth autobox, 5 doors air co,. electric windows. kept up on the motorway, easy to park. good visibility.

All the car you need? - badbusdriver

i always said of my hyundai i10 was all the car you need.

had smooth autobox, 5 doors air co,. electric windows. kept up on the motorway, easy to park. good visibility.

Good call, my Mother In Law has one and loves it!.

I'd say the same about our Suzuki Ignis but for the AGS automated manual gearbox, which isn't great. Wish we'd held out for the facelift version which came out shortly after we got ours, it has a CVT.

All the car you need? - SLO76

i always said of my hyundai i10 was all the car you need.

had smooth autobox, 5 doors air co,. electric windows. kept up on the motorway, easy to park. good visibility.

Big fan of the wee Hyundai. I think the second gen is a perfect small car. It does everything well.
All the car you need? - Engineer Andy

i always said of my hyundai i10 was all the car you need.

had smooth autobox, 5 doors air co,. electric windows. kept up on the motorway, easy to park. good visibility.

Nice little run-arounds. The main downside is that their lack of boot space means they aren't so good for when you are taking quite a bit of stuff on holiday, etc.

I never felt particularly comfortable with my old mid 90s Micra with the back seats down and all my holiday gear lined up on the seat back like on a ramp, aimed at the back of my head... :-)

I agree - great for parking and general visibility though, those small cars.