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Any - Night Driving - wantstolearn

I no longer drive in the dark finding it uncomfortable. I am interested to know if anyone else dislikes night driving.

Are there any possible eye conditions which might affect this ? Daylight excellent vision.

Any - Night Driving - Grenache

Yes, apparently quite common as we age. Someone once told me the amount of light entering your eyes is half at age 60 of what it was at age 20.

Early onset of cataracts can also cause this.

Any - Night Driving - Engineer Andy

Yes, apparently quite common as we age. Someone once told me the amount of light entering your eyes is half at age 60 of what it was at age 20.

Early onset of cataracts can also cause this.

Perhaps, but other factors such as confidence play a decent part too.

My mum (78) has voluntarily given up driving as I think she has got far more nervous driving generally as she's got older - for the previous15+ years she stopped driving on motorways/dual carraigeways for similar reasons, often taking longer routes on 'ordinary' roads for certain trips or just leaving the driving to my dad.

Now even my dad (same age) does not like driving in the evenings and avoids the rush hours to avoid the stress (as he see it) of driving at those times. He certainly will not drive on snow now, even locally. It also means that for going to see relatives, unless they can stay overnight or someone else can take them there/back, they won't make the trip any more. They often now meet up with friends/relatives 'half way' for a pub lunch instead, knowing they can get home before the rush hour/dark.

They often also get the bus or local trains (which are free or discounted) for quite a few trips now (e.g. to hospital appointments), even though they would take quite a bit longer than driving, though only in the day time - I suspect that some more elderly peopl don't like going out on their own at night per se, except where they are being taken by family members (safety and the chaufeur duties).

Both of them have reasonable eyesight and health for their age, though do tire far more easily, so longer journeys (say over 2 hrs) are normally avoided. At most the drive in the summer to the south coast for a once a year cruise ship holiday.

Any - Night Driving - thunderbird

I no longer drive in the dark finding it uncomfortable. I am interested to know if anyone else dislikes night driving.

Are there any possible eye conditions which might affect this ? Daylight excellent vision.

There are many issues that can affect your eyes. You are far better visiting an Optician for an eye test than asking for a diagnosis on a Forum.

Any - Night Driving - _

Depending on your age,

Cataracts don't help..

Any - Night Driving - brum

Should have gone to <insert optician/optometrist of your choice>

Eye tests are free for over 60's and some others

www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/opticians/free-nhs-eye-tes.../

I must say driving in general is geting more stressful due to the massive increase in traffic, even at 4am on the M1 toward London was a wall of some very badly driven HGVs some drivers obviously falling asleep/on the phone/surfing porn sites

Having good headlights helps offset the glare from the other traffic. Unfortunately, the old halogen H7 is hardly up to the job nowadays, especially if its in a badly designed headlight, (eg the dreadful VAG shutter controlled projector lights) The only legal way to upgrade is to change to a more modern car with Xenon or LED headlights.

Edited by brum on 15/01/2022 at 13:16

Any - Night Driving - galileo

Depending on your age,

Cataracts don't help..

I've had both cataracts removed and my vision is now good, but I do dislike night driving because of the almost universal fitment of LED headlights and DRLs, most of which seem unnecessarily bright.

I know these are all supposed to be aligned to avoid dazzle but uneven roads, crests of hills (and speed humps) all lead to instances when this happens. Not just opposing traffic, but cars behind you can be an irritation.

Any - Night Driving - thunderbird

I do dislike night driving because of the almost universal fitment of LED headlights and DRLs,

LED (or any) DRL's should not be an issue at night. On our cars they dim when you turn on the main lights. And even the halogen headlights on our Fabia are brighter than the LED DRL's.

More likely to be an issue where owners have fitted illegal bulbs or their lights are incorrectly adjusted.

Any - Night Driving - wantstolearn

I To clear up any misunderstanding. I have an annual eyesight test. My optometrist has been asked, recorded, to tell me if he thinks I should stop driving.

I am not stupid enough to ask for a personal diagnosis on a forum. Forums have their limitations.

I was looking to hear of other people's experiences and thoughts. Many thanks to all for their contributions. Including those who thought I would be daft enough to ask for a diagnosis on a forum. I have some daft moments but never concerning health and safety.

Any - Night Driving - Andrew-T

I was looking to hear of other people's experiences and thoughts..

I'm 82 and had my annual eye check a couple of months back: incipient cataract just detectable in one eye, otherwise fine. In the 'old days' I used to enjoy night driving on cross-country roads, but now I try to avoid it if possible. I am sure the main reason is the year-by-year intensification of headlamps and their being mounted slightly higher on taller vehicles. Car makers seem to think that 'See and be Seen' takes priority over avoiding dazzling other road users.

That arrangement is fairly tolerable on motorways, where gradients change only gradually and facing traffic is rarely straight ahead. Other roads are narrower, with bends, dips and bumps, when facing traffic now resembles a sequence of searchlights. At times all one can do is to aim just left of the lamps and try to avoid the kerb or verge. It's become an arms race, which I'm not convinced the motoring public has really wanted.

Any - Night Driving - mcb100
56 year old eyes here, having to put in long drives for work on a regular basis, with hours in the dark.
I do find what I’m driving makes a real difference - my own car has halogen lights (upgraded to Osram Night Breakers) but they’re not a patch on having LED’s. The colour temperature is close to daylight so illumination is easier for the eye to deal with leading to less eye strain.
Any - Night Driving - movilogo

Discarding any medical issues, night driving is always worse than daytime driving.

If driving on a winding single carriageway with good traffic, one has to invariably drive slower as not to drive on high beam. Low beam reduces visibility to a good extent.

In an unknown town, night driving is a challenge especially if there are too many signs like bus lane with variable timing, yellow boxes, confusing roundabouts etc. Then throw rain in the mix, windows misting up etc. and stress goes a little bit.

Poor roads/potholes are lot more difficult to discover at night.

LED (or any) DRL's should not be an issue at night.

I think glaring light is somewhat personal feeling. If there are no street lights and I am on a dual carriageway with central divider, I tend to switch on high beam (when no car in front). However, on few times I have been flashed by cars from the opposite side of carriageway. Don't know why it causes any issue to them because if cars are coming with high beam on other side of divider it does not bother me.

If the car following me switches its high beam on, it still doesn't bother me as my rear view mirror automatically dims it (many cars offer this feature). Having said that, while looking at mirror for overtaking/lane changing, it does glare from certain angles. Perhaps side mirrors should be auto dimming too.

Any - Night Driving - wantstolearn

Thanks for the two additional helpful posts. I'm looking to change cars but current price crazy times making worthwhile purchase difficult.

Any - Night Driving - thunderbird

I didn't ride with dad for years but when the wifes car was in the garage quite frequently in the mid 90's he used to pick her up from work and take her to collect the car. After a couple of terrifying trips she took to sitting in the back, braking at the last second, nearly missing red lights etc. He had just retired at the time, in his mid 60's.

This convinced her she needed a new car.

Then he commented he needed his cataracts sorting.

After the ops I went with him several times to see his brother in Hospital and his driving was exactly as I remembered it from years previously but the wife was never tempted to ride with him again.

He drove for about 20 years after the ops, dementia finally took his licence.

Any - Night Driving - John F

With advancing age, apart from possible cataract formation, there is the inevitable development of presbyopia, i.e. the fixation of the once flexible lens into one position, so that either near things, or far things, but never both, can be in focus without either reading (convex lens) or distance (concave lens) glasses.

Any depth of focus that still exists is reduced at night by the widening of the pupil to gather as much light as possible. Older posters with a knowledge of photography will remember the compromise between getting as much light through the lens as possible for a short exposure versus making the lens as narrow as possible to get as much of the near and distant parts of the photo in focus as possible. The older you are, the more noticeable it is that when your vision is OK for distant objects in the headlights to be in focus, the illuminated dashboard will be blurry, because the lens has lost its ability to almost instantly become more convex.

Any - Night Driving - daveyjp

A family friend aged 70 went for an eyetest last summer, due to lockdown she hadn't been for a couple of years,

She was told to stop driving immediately and couldn't believe she still could due to severe cataracts which she was unaware of. She's had both done now.

I did some proper night driving over Christmas, east coast back to Leeds across the Yorkshire Wolds. Pitch black no street lights and there is no dount there are people out there who shouldn't be driving at night.

A few of us were behind a car doing no more than 30 for miles and we all eventually managed to get past. When I was behind them hardly any of the road was illuminated, certainly no full beam being used which was so dangerous. When I overtook the driver was on DRLs only.

Any - Night Driving - thunderbird

I overtook the driver was on DRLs only.

That would have resulted in no rear sidelights, the DRL's go off or dim when the rear lights come on.

Any - Night Driving - mcb100
Quite a few cars now have tail lights on with DRL’s. The only thing missing at the back without the sidelights on is the number plate light.
Any - Night Driving - nellyjak

I've never really had a problem with night driving...I quite like it..,BUT I have to confess that the brightness of headlights these days are such a distraction and get harder to deal with.

I'm 75 and still ok eyesight-wise...and have a check up EVERY year..I do find my eyes tire quicker now.

Any - Night Driving - Xileno

I dislike driving at night but this is mainly due to the poor maintenance of the white lines and catseyes along the rural A and B roads. On dipped lights it's often hard to see where one is going. My eyesight is perfect, I have a test each year as it's free as I use a computer for my employment. Actually I would get it free anyway as my Mum had glaucoma.

I suppose the advantages of driving at night would be less traffic and it might be nicer in very hot weather but apart from that I imagine most people would prefer to drive in the day.

Edited by Xileno on 15/01/2022 at 17:01

Any - Night Driving - thunderbird

If you want to have difficulty driving at night buy a Fabia, the headlights are dreadful. On the drive the LED DRL's light the garage up better. Thought about changing them to uprated bulbs but some say they are illegal, other says they don't last long but mostly they are really expensive.

Simple solution, don't drive at night on unlit roads.

Any - Night Driving - wantstolearn

Thanks for all the additional responses. All are helpful. John F particularly valued your informative post.

Any - Night Driving - Manatee

I have no confidence issues when driving but at 68 I now find night driving uncomfortable and at times difficult, especially on unfamiliar roads. My eyesight is good, I do have eye tests. My distance vision is still 20/20 or better without glasses, and I have very few problems in daylight other than e.g. in very bright conditions, into the sun, with a wet road surface which I encountered yesterday. The glare was almost blinding at times.

The problem at night is age related and to do with acuity (the minimum level of light I need) and the range of contrast I can deal with. Faced with oncoming headlights, even dipped ones, I can see far less of the road ahead than used to be the case. It's very frustrating, as far as I know completely normal and it will only get worse. I'm not at all surprised that many older people won't drove a night. I deal with it by moderating my speed as necessary, but it's very tricky in built up areas where road markings and unlit islands become difficult to see too.

At the moment I have very good spectacle lenses with a full house of coatings which definitely helps.

The minimum amount of light needed when older is a multiple of that needed by younger people. Remember when your parents used to ask "how can you read in here without a light?"

Any - Night Driving - badbusdriver

You do get glasses specifically for driving in the dark. No idea if they are effective, but might be worth looking into?. If you normally wear glasses, I believe you do get ones to wear over your prescription glasses.

Any - Night Driving - wantstolearn

Thanks both. Manatee would you be good enough to share details of your spectacles. I try to avoid driving in poor visibility but some times unavoidable.

Any - Night Driving - expat

I have glaucoma which is increased pressure of fluid in the eyeball. Among other things it decreases your peripheral vision. Mine is controlled by eye drops but I do find that driving at night is more difficult especially if you are going through a forest or somewhere like that where wildlife might jump out into the road. I avoid night driving if I can especially in the country. I see an eye specialist every 6 months and always ask her if it is safe to continue driving. I can recommend regular visits to the optician if you have any doubts at all about your vision. As Samuel Pepys said "Rather than lose my eyesight I would prefer to go into the grave."

Any - Night Driving - Manatee

Thanks both. Manatee would you be good enough to share details of your spectacles. I try to avoid driving in poor visibility but some times unavoidable.

I regret I don't have a written spec but they are Zeiss vari-focal lenses and coatings AFAIK. They are certainly anti-reflective and the hard coating (for plastic lenses), I think it might have been the all-in-one package with CleanCoat. I got them from Costco where I get my eye tests, I have been using them for a few years and they have been excellent at the Milton Keynes branch.

I believe Zeiss now does a 'Drivesafe' lens which I will ask about next time..

Any - Night Driving - barney100

I dislike night driving but even in my twenties I didn’t like it. If you know the road well or you are on motorways then it’s not too bad but strange roads especially in rain can be very difficult. Percy Shaw of Halifax invented the brilliant cat’s eyes which make a difference but the over right headlights on some vehicles can be blinding. I’ve thought for some while that extra lights aimed a few yards forward pointing at the curb would let you see the edge of the road and cause no problem for oncoming vehicles.

Any - Night Driving - FP

"... extra lights aimed a few yards forward pointing at the curb would let you see the edge of the road and cause no problem for oncoming vehicles."

That, in theory, has always been the idea of the dipped headlight pattern, with a beam directed to the left and slightly upward, to enable the nearside kerb, vegetation or whatever to be illuminated. (This, of course, needed to be modified when driving on the right.)

However, that doesn't seem to be standard any more. My own car, with LED headlamps, has a simple low flat pattern beam on dipped. I presume the idea is that the intensity of high-output lights means that the nearside is supposed to be adequately lit. One advantage is that I don't need to modify them when driving on the right - or so the dealer informs me.

Edited by FP on 16/01/2022 at 09:28

Any - Night Driving - Andrew-T

I presume the idea is that the intensity of high-output lights means that the nearside is supposed to be adequately lit. One advantage is that I don't need to modify them when driving on the right - or so the dealer informs me.

I would guess that is the intention of the maker - no need to make two versions ?

Any - Night Driving - Big John

Percy Shaw of Halifax invented the brilliant cat’s eyes which make a difference

Ah, another modern issue. The original design by Percy Shaw was brilliant (literally) being based on a pair of glass lens & reflectors that self clean as a vehicle drives over it. They were called cat's eyes as that's what they looked like as you approached at night with headlights on. Fast forward to 2022 - on major roads/ motorways these seem to have been replaced with coloured reflector strips that get mucky/fail quickly - suspect they don't self clean in the same way. Progress.......

Any - Night Driving - Manatee

Percy Shaw had the idea when he saw a real cat's eyes reflecting the light back towards him.

Had the cat been facing the other way, Percy might have invented the pencil sharpener.

(with acknowledgment to Ken Dodd).

Any - Night Driving - Big John

I dislike night driving especially what used to be my old commute until Covid. It was particularly bad in the winter where as well as being dark lines/signs/cat's eye are filthy with muck/salt. I discussed with optician who also suggested my varifocal glasses with reactolite weren't helping. Varifocals are designed to give optimum vision in the direction you head is pointing but peripheral vision can be sub optimal and reactolite has a slight residual tint.

On recommendation I bought a set of single vision glasses with the ultra clear coating and it TRANSFORMED my night driving - albeit with a slight side effect of reading the satnav is slightly blurry!

I've since discovered there are varifocals available that are designed for driving with super wide distance field of vision. I'll try those next time with the ultra clear and possibly polarised lenses.

Any - Night Driving - wantstolearn

Thanks to everyone who has made this such a useful thread for me, and I hope others.

I didn't find polarised helpful.

Any - Night Driving - Alby Back
Doesn’t bother me, if anything, I find night driving on unlit roads slightly easier than in daylight because you can tell if there is another vehicle approaching around a bend by the advance warning given by its lights.
The brightness of modern vehicle lights is fine by me, in fact I welcome it. Just don’t stare directly at them.
Any - Night Driving - sammy1

Driving in the dark is boring, no countryside to look at or anything else. All you can do is guess the car ahead by its tail lights. Some HGVs are interesting with their array of lights especially the front set ups. It can be difficult to judge what speed you are doing particularly on the motorway. On some A and B roads lack of definition with missing lines and cats eyes is not good. Auto dipping is one of the better extras fitted

Any - Night Driving - Andrew-T

On some A and B roads lack of definition with missing lines and cats eyes is not good. Auto dipping is one of the better extras fitted

Just try to imagine what it must have been like to drive during WW2, when headlights were poor by today's standards and were hooded as well for wartime regulations.

Any - Night Driving - madf

I still drive happily at night at least twice a week (yoga). I am 74 with varifocal glasses and variable tinting.

Eyes checked every two years.

I always clean all glass inside and out every 2-3 weeks with a proprietary glass cleaner. I also clean my glasses with cleaning wipes before driving at night. And clean the wiper blades weekly with a micro fibre cloth. Sounds silly but a little dirt on each all combines to make vision a pia.

I also use "dry eye" drops twice a day to improve eye fluidity - scratchy eyes do not help.

And ensure ALL car lights are clean..

All motherhood and apple pie but makes a huge difference. ( I drove from Scotland to Stoke on Trent - some 260 miles overnight in December 2019 with no issues)

Any - Night Driving - Gibbo_Wirral

For me its the headlights & DRLs of all the SUV vehicles which shine directly into my face as I drive my regular car.

Or being stuck behind the people who sit at junctions with their foot on the brake so I'm blinded with three bright red brake lights.

Any - Night Driving - wantstolearn

Sorry for the late response. Thanks Manatee , I live in East Yorkshire so will do some searchr.

Madf, a useful checklist. I do most things but not consistently which I will improve.

Repeat I do appreciate the sharing of knowledge and experience.

Any - Night Driving - Theophilus

I drove from Scotland to Stoke on Trent - some 260 miles overnight in December 2019 with no issues

Are you sure that it wasn't from London to Barnard Castle to test your eyesight :-)

Any - Night Driving - Sparrow

Some of the modern LED street lights don't help. A street in Winchester has just had orange sodium ones replaced by LEDs. The old ones lit the road uniformly, but the new ones make pools of brightness, so bright that they dazzle me shining through the windscreen. It drives me dizzy with these on one side of the road and headlights coming toward me on the other. Newver had an issue with the old ones. Progress? Or incompetent installation?

Edited by Sparrow on 19/01/2022 at 18:09

Any - Night Driving - catsdad

I came across a good lane lighting system when I visited Edinburgh last week. On the city bypass at least one multi lane roundabout has active lane line lights that are linked to the traffic lights. When the lights change the lane markings ahead of you light up to guide/keep you to the right lane. I don’t know how effective they are as I only went through a couple of times but they felt intuitive. They must exist elsewhere too.
Round here, in SW England, the rural roads are uniformly a dull mud colour all winter and cats eyes are rare. Maybe a more modern system, such as above, will be introduced here too. Traditional cats eyes are good but if you see one out if it’s road setting they are a heavy piece of kit that must cost a lot.