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Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.

My brother's main car has just failed the MOT, needing 1000 pounds or so spent to pass. It's worth less than that and has now served its purpose. He is looking for a reliable automatic car no larger than a MK2 Focus, capable of occasionally carrying 4 adults, with a budget up to 6000 pounds. Annual mileage is no more than 5 - 6,000, most journeys are local but it would need do a journey of around 300 miles in comfort. A hatchback or small MPV are on the shortlist. He's down near Plymouth where cars of this sort seem to be thin on the ground.

I've suggested a MK2 Focus, MK1 Facelift C-Max. Are these autos reliable?

Also thought of Toyota Auris, Honda Jazz, Mazda 3,and Kia Venga. Are there any others we should be thinking of? Thanks.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Xileno

I can't see any automatic Focuses in the Plymouth area up to £6000 on Autotrader. You should be into MK3 territory at that price but you need to be careful because I think they put the Powershift box in which some on here don't rate.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.

Thanks. A MK3 Focus is an unlikely option.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Falkirk Bairn

For the brother's budget of £6000 Focus auto would be a Powershift Auto. Like the DSG it has a bad reliability record and at his budget a NONO.

The choice of many here would be Japan/Korean, Petrol NA, Auto

More specifically Mazda, Honda, Toyota, Hyundai & Kia (longer than average warranty)

Auris estates are run by many Taxi companies around my area - choice is 1.2 petrol or 1.8 Hybrid.

A DiL bought a 2.5 yrs old, Lexus 200H, ran it for 5 years (average 49mpg) and with the exception of brake disks, exhaust & a 12V battery was 100%. Mind you she traded it for £7K and than was 2 years ago and I am sure it will be around £9K+ today to buy a similar car

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.

Thanks. It's an up to budget, so if a Focus MK2/C-Max auto is reliable he'd consider one, saving himself some money too.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - badbusdriver

Not sure how far he'd be willing to travel, but looking within 50 miles of Plymouth on Autotrader, not that much jumping out (no Ford's, no Kia's, no Hyundai's, no Mazda's)!.

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Before anything is mentioned about that last one, I checked and the 2nd gen RAV4 5 door is shorter than a 2nd gen Focus!

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - SLO76
Options are limited right now at this money but avoid at all costs anything fitted with an automated manual gearbox such as Fords fragile Powershift or VAG’s DSG. You might need to travel and/or find more money.

Pre-Powershift Ford Fiesta. Only really rust to worry about.

www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/2008-ford-f...l


Wee Hyundai is quite hardy. Look for water leaks in the boot.

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Bit up in the money but again pre-Powershift Ford is generally good news. Rust again is the worry.

www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/2010-ford-f...l

Big advert but short on details about the car, I hate adverts that just lazily list the spec. Good budget autos though. Not much to go wrong.

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Tough and cheap to run.

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Edited by SLO76 on 27/11/2021 at 21:18

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - ifekas

Good luck in the search! I say that as I have been similarly trying to help a friend find an automatic in a similar price range; actually she had to increase her budget from the original. This has been going on for months!

Many of SLO's suggestions were similar to what we have considered, but most had to be eliminated after looking at the MoT history/advisories for things like rust on brake pipes or subframe (KIA/Hyundai), etc.

The problem is that after eliminating the DSG/PowerShift/Multimode/iShift/Dualogic type transmissions, for the years that the budget allows, there seems to be so little to choose from. Considering the numbers of Ford Focus sold, compared to Astra I'm surprised there aren't more on the market, unless they have all rusted to bits. Most of the Astra and Meriva autos are the FIAT powered diesel.

We found a low mileage Hyundai which we test drove and was good and put a deposit on, but the vendor was 'waiting for the V5', and later wanted us to register the car using a different form which I advised not to; and so that was a waste of time esp as the vendor was 45 miles away.

Nissan Note with low mileage/decent MoT history pops up from time to time; I know that can suffer from underbody rust too, but otherwise are these ok?

Quite a few decent cheap MG3s around, but frightened off by reports of stretched timing chains?

Are the low mileage pre dual clutch Renaults best avoided? I wouldn't normally have recommended them anyway, but....

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - John Donaghy

Do you think the Astra 2010-16 sports tourer petrol auto is also a good budget vehicle with little to go wrong?

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - SLO76
Robust mechanically but watch for rot underneath.

www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/2012-kia-ce...l


As above.

www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/2012-kia-ve...l

Edited by SLO76 on 27/11/2021 at 22:10

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - pd

I suspect the vendor wanted to register the car using a V62. This is the normal process if V5 not present.

If it was a trader I suspect the car came in with no V5 (you'd be amazed how many do) and they didn't want to register it in their name to avoid putting another short term owner ion it.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.

BBD and SLO, thank you for taking the time to look for some suggestions. I'll pass them on to my brother.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - badbusdriver

Most of the Astra and Meriva autos are the FIAT powered diesel.

Looking on Autotrader (up to £7k), there are indeed more diesel auto Meriva's, but there are actually quite a lot more petrol auto Astra's than diesel (177 vs 68). And just clarify, the 1.7 diesel is an Isuzu engine and much more reliable than the Fiat units.

Nissan Note with low mileage/decent MoT history pops up from time to time; I know that can suffer from underbody rust too, but otherwise are these ok?

1st gen Nissan Note auto (n/a 1.6, torque converter auto) is a cracking car, roomy, reliable and usually well equipped. 2nd gen auto (the manual with n/a 1.2 is fine) is a different kettle of fish, it used a CVT coupled to a supercharged 1.2 petrol. Both engine and (especially) transmission here are not known for reliability.

Quite a few decent cheap MG3s around, but frightened off by reports of stretched timing chains?

You don't get automatic MG3's, but otherwise I wouldn't mind a new one as there are often some pretty keen deals (you do need to accept that they are completely outclassed by most other 'superminis'). Not sure I'd be keen on 2nd hand though (especially outwith warranty), because of these timing chain issues.

Are the low mileage pre dual clutch Renaults best avoided? I wouldn't normally have recommended them anyway, but....

When buying a cheaper car, condition is possibly the most important factor, not necessarily the make or model. The Renault's in question will have a n/a 1.6 petrol and a t/c auto, so fairly simple mechanically. If you see a nice, obviously well looked after example with few previous owners, it shouldn't be too much of a risk. Plenty of forum members have experience of reliable Renaults, so it isn't that uncommon!.

A couple of other suggestions, first (assuming you don't need a big boot), the 2nd gen Vauxhall Agila/Suzuki Splash (they are the same car). Surprisingly spacious cabin for its size due to being tall, but endlessly reliable. Second is an often overlooked Ford, the Fusion. This was a taller and boxier Fiesta with more interior and boot space (similar type of car to the Nissan Note). The 1.6 auto is very simple and robust.

Edited by badbusdriver on 28/11/2021 at 10:25

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - ifekas

Thanks for the advice badbusdriver.

Astra does seem the most plentiful in supply of all more reliable petrol autos so definitely on the radar; but many of the Astras have mileages over 100k.

Glad to hear the 1st gen Nissan Note is ok too; they have an amazing amount of usable space for the size of the car.

In terms of size, I initially thought she wanted something small as she previously had Corsa and Micra, so had suggested Agila, Yaris and i10. Ideally something slightly bigger would be preferred, but she is in complete agreement with you due to the lack of choice that something looked after and reliable is more important than meeting the size criteria since more often than not it will be used for shorter journeys.

On another note, I see that SLO seems to use gumtree a lot when recommending examples; is there a best place or does one have to trawl through them all - Facebook, Autotrader and motors.co.uk?

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - SLO76
I’m increasingly finding Gumtree the place to be for cheaper used cars. Autotrader is too expensive for many dealers and private sales and is losing volume.
Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - badbusdriver

On another note, I see that SLO seems to use gumtree a lot when recommending examples; is there a best place or does one have to trawl through them all - Facebook, Autotrader and motors.co.uk?

Fundamentally I have no problem with Gumtree other than I just find it easier to search for specific things in specific areas on Autotrader. In this thread for example, Trilogy says his brother is near Plymouth. So I go on Google maps and pick the postcode from a random business in Plymouth and select the results from a 50 mile radius, easy peasy!.

Granted I have not tried for a while, but when I have tried to do this on Gumtree in the past, it was much more of a faff. Plus, you can fine tune the results more on Autotrader.

I'll maybe try Gumtree again, but it will get covered because SLO will look!

As for Facebook, I'm not really a fan and I've never heard of motors.co.uk. I tend to stick to what I know, so Autotrader or Ebay mainly. But also carandclassics if looking for classic cars, or parking.eu if I'm looking for stuff in other countries (out of curiosity!)

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.

He's viewing a few cars today. Would a MK2 automatic Jazz or KIA Venga be good?

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - badbusdriver

He's viewing a few cars today. Would a MK2 automatic Jazz or KIA Venga be good?

Yes to both (along with the usual checks for used cars of course).

The Venga has a fair thirst (especially pre facelift 4 speed auto), but as your brother doesn't cover many miles, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.

Venga now rejected. Focus MK2 or corresponding age C-Max are the most likely options.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - SLO76

Venga now rejected. Focus MK2 or corresponding age C-Max are the most likely options.

Both good cars but rust underneath is a big issue so you’ll need to have a good look under it. I wouldn’t rule out everything else though, I certainly wouldn’t walk past a tidy Astra Auto to buy a tatty Focus. Don’t let him be tempted by a Mk III with that rotten Powershift box no matter how cheap or what rubbish the salesman tells him.
Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - SLO76

He's viewing a few cars today. Would a MK2 automatic Jazz or KIA Venga be good?

The Jazz is pretty horrid to drive and avoid at all costs the early MK II I-shift autos, these use a horrid single clutch automated manual that even Honda couldn’t get working right so they gave up and went back to a CVT for later cars. As a cheap and reliable runabout a manual or CVT Jazz can make a great deal of sense to those who don’t care much about driving. It does what it says on the tin and it’ll cost peanuts to run.

Edited by SLO76 on 05/12/2021 at 21:55

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.

Thanks for the warning about the I-shyte auto.

I've already told him about the Ford Powershyte. On my recommendation his son has a Focus MK2 for his first car. Brother and his wife didn't find the Astra as comfortable as a Focus, so an Astra is off the list, and there's no way he'll buy anything tatty.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - badbusdriver

Thanks for the warning about the I-shyte auto.

Sorry Trilogy, I completely forgot about the automated manual in the pre facelift Jazz. Should have asked the age of the car.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Engineer Andy

My brother's main car has just failed the MOT, needing 1000 pounds or so spent to pass. It's worth less than that and has now served its purpose. He is looking for a reliable automatic car no larger than a MK2 Focus, capable of occasionally carrying 4 adults, with a budget up to 6000 pounds. Annual mileage is no more than 5 - 6,000, most journeys are local but it would need do a journey of around 300 miles in comfort. A hatchback or small MPV are on the shortlist. He's down near Plymouth where cars of this sort seem to be thin on the ground.

I've suggested a MK2 Focus, MK1 Facelift C-Max. Are these autos reliable?

Also thought of Toyota Auris, Honda Jazz, Mazda 3,and Kia Venga. Are there any others we should be thinking of? Thanks.

One thing worth noting that may make a difference is that it depends on whether the brother is fine having their car maintained at an indie garage or they prefer main dealers. From memory looking at reviews from the Mazda3 owners forum, Mazda dealers in the SW are not abundant and, more importantly, not very well regarded either.

I they could manage a late gen-2 car, and it had no significant issues with underbody/wheel arch rust, the the Mazda3 in either 1.6 petrol (most common) or 2.0 petrol (rare) auto form would be fine. The 1.6 auto is not exactly swift, but its is smooth and the gearbox appears to be reliable - I've not heard of any issues of significance.

I would go for the mid-spec TS/TS2 or 'Tamura' models rather than the Sport, which is often shod on lower profile tyres which result in a firmer ride (more so as it ages) and which don't last as long and cost a lot more.

Personally if its just used for local driving, the 1.6 petrol TS is fine (it has A/C), especially as many come shod (the TS2 like mine can also take this wheel and tyre combo) on 195/65 R15H tyres which are very common and thus you have a lot of choice and are very cheap in comparison to 17in tyres (16in not too bad priced as they are the most common of that size).

The other cars you mention are also fine, though the Venga/iX20 is rather slow in 1.6 auto form if I recall reviews here. Just remember though to avoid the Jazz's i-Shift versions as they aren't good. I suspect that the Auris - if they can find one (say an OAP who's giving up driving who has well looked after it) - may be the best bet, as long as it's shod on sensible wheels and tyres (55 profile or above).

Edited by Engineer Andy on 06/12/2021 at 12:28

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - badbusdriver

I know it's nowhere near Plymouth, and I know the saloon version of the 1st gen Focus looks a bit ungainly, but I`m drawn to this one owner(!) 2003 2.0 Ghia auto in Rochdale!. Seems OK for the price, though I have not looked at the MOT history.

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Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.

Thanks Andy, it will be the village indie. I don't see the Mazda having any advantage over a Focus.

Jazz and Venga are regarded as being too small. An Auris could be a possibility.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - SLO76
“ I don't see the Mazda having any advantage over a Focus.”

It’s a bit better made and there’s no timing belt to worry about. It drives very similar to the Focus thanks to their shared lineage. Condition would be the wise deciding factor between them though.
Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - thunderbird
“ I don't see the Mazda having any advantage over a Focus.”

It’s a bit better made and there’s no timing belt to worry about.

We bought a Mk2 Focus 1.8 petrol in 2008, kept it until 2019. Totally reliable. We tried a 1.6 but fount it gutless and whilst the 1.8 was not a great deal more powerful outright it had a much better spread of power. They were Mazda engines and had chain cams so no belt to worry about.

The auto's in these were pre power-shift so should be reliable.

But just consider that they are old cars now, the most recent will be 11 years old.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - SLO76
“ We bought a Mk2 Focus 1.8 petrol in 2008, kept it until 2019. Totally reliable.”

Good car but the autos were largely 1.6’s which are belt driven. You do find the occasional 2.0 which was essentially the same engine as in your 1.8 only slightly larger.
Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.
We bought a Mk2 Focus 1.8 petrol in 2008, kept it until 2019. Totally reliable. We tried a 1.6 but fount it gutless and whilst the 1.8 was not a great deal more powerful outright it had a much better spread of power. They were Mazda engines and had chain cams so no belt to worry about.

The auto's in these were pre power-shift so should be reliable.

But just consider that they are old cars now, the most recent will be 11 years old.

Actually my 2006 MK2 1.6 Sport feels quicker than my MK1 1.8. The 1.8 took its time to get going while the 1.6 doesn't.

Age isn't a concern, rather have that than modern car complexity with too much unnecessary technology.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Engineer Andy

Thanks Andy, it will be the village indie. I don't see the Mazda having any advantage over a Focus.

Jazz and Venga are regarded as being too small. An Auris could be a possibility.

Given the lack of suitable cars available, you might not be able to be so picky. I'd probably say that condition and history would likely be the determining factor for all those that essentially fit the bill.

One thing you might find that may be useful over the Fords is that the TS2 grade Mazda3s (not sure about the 'special edition' named models) come with climate control (TS just manual A/C), whereas most mkII Focuses only have manual A/C as standard with it being an option only on the Titanium, at least according to the spec sheet on the review on HJ.

That model might also be shod on lower profile (more likely the not-so-bad 17in variety) tyres rather than the 205/55 R16 type on the mid spec cars and the 15in ones (similar to the some [others on 16in] TS grade Mazda3s) on some lower specced Focuses. Mazdas in mid-spec form often are good value because they are well-specced with the toys, but can (if required) take the higher profile tyres that give a better ride.

Oddly enough, many lower-spec Fords often are shod on low-er profile (and often rare size combo) tyres. My dad's 08 runout Fiesta Style is shod with 195/50 R15 tyres which cost more than my car's 195/65 R16s but have far less choice/availability and are far lower rated for mpg for some reason, plus the obvious comfort difference.

I know my dad still complains about the difference in comfort between his current Fiesta and that of his previous gen one which was shod on 155/70 R13 tyres and handled just as well. He even takes a differnt route to the shops to avoid the speed humps as a result!

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Trilogy.

Thanks Andy, it will be the village indie. I don't see the Mazda having any advantage over a Focus.

Jazz and Venga are regarded as being too small. An Auris could be a possibility.

Given the lack of suitable cars available, you might not be able to be so picky. I'd probably say that condition and history would likely be the determining factor for all those that essentially fit the bill.

One thing you might find that may be useful over the Fords is that the TS2 grade Mazda3s (not sure about the 'special edition' named models) come with climate control (TS just manual A/C), whereas most mkII Focuses only have manual A/C as standard with it being an option only on the Titanium, at least according to the spec sheet on the review on HJ.

That model might also be shod on lower profile (more likely the not-so-bad 17in variety) tyres rather than the 205/55 R16 type on the mid spec cars and the 15in ones (similar to the some [others on 16in] TS grade Mazda3s) on some lower specced Focuses. Mazdas in mid-spec form often are good value because they are well-specced with the toys, but can (if required) take the higher profile tyres that give a better ride.

Oddly enough, many lower-spec Fords often are shod on low-er profile (and often rare size combo) tyres. My dad's 08 runout Fiesta Style is shod with 195/50 R15 tyres which cost more than my car's 195/65 R16s but have far less choice/availability and are far lower rated for mpg for some reason, plus the obvious comfort difference.

I know my dad still complains about the difference in comfort between his current Fiesta and that of his previous gen one which was shod on 155/70 R13 tyres and handled just as well. He even takes a differnt route to the shops to avoid the speed humps as a result!

I won't be making the decision. In the end it will be my brother and his wife. They won't be bothered whether it's aircon or climate. - Thanks anyway.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - thunderbird

Actually my 2006 MK2 1.6 Sport feels quicker than my MK1 1.8. The 1.8 took its time to get going while the 1.6 doesn't.

You need to remember that the 1.8 in the Mk2 was a totally different engine to the 1.8 in the Mk1. To begin with it had the Duratec engine with 125 PS wheras the Mk1 had the Older Zetec engine with 115 PS.

The 1.6 in the Mk2 had the same 115PS as the Mk1 1.8 but having owned a Mk1 1.8 for the best part of 10 years before buying the Mk2 we had a test drive in the 1.6 which was not an enjoyable experience for us, getting back into the Mk1 made us wonder why we were changing. A drive in a 1.8 showed it was the one for us and never regretted it.

From memory the Mk1 Focus petrols used the Zetec in 1.6, 1.8 and 2 litre capacities (for obscure marketing reasons the 2.0 in the ST was badged as a Duratec when it clearly wasn't) whereas the Mk2 used the Yamaha derived engine in the 1.6 and the Mazda derived engine in the 1.8 and 2.0 versions.

All tough as old boots but getting old now, the Mk1's are very old. Our Mk1 died when it was 14 years old but the Mk2 is still going according the the DVLA site and approaching 14 years.

Oddly enough, many lower-spec Fords often are shod on low-er profile (and often rare size combo) tyres. My dad's 08 runout Fiesta Style is shod with 195/50 R15 tyres which cost more than my car's 195/65 R16s but have far less choice/availability and are far lower rated for mpg for some reason, plus the obvious comfort difference.

That comment surprised me since our Mk1 had 195 50 15's which I found cheap and easy to get whereas the 16's on the Mk2 (205 55 16's) were more expensive but still easy to get.

Looked on Mytyres and for the 195 50 15 there are 83 listed starting at £41 for a Toyo. Spend £49 and you get a highly rated Uniroyal.

The 195 65 16 only lists 3 tyres which start at £94 for a Falken.

Tried Kwikfit and the same story. 15 195 50 15 with the Uniroyal listed at £58. Only 2 195 65 16 the cheapest being a Michelin at £138.

Edited by thunderbird on 07/12/2021 at 09:16

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - SLO76
“ The 1.6 in the Mk2 had the same 115PS as the Mk1 1.8”


Most Mk II’s used the 101PS 99bhp version of that engine, there was a version with variable valve timing that had a bit more power (118bhp from memory) but it was largely pointless with the 1.8 and 2.0 Mazda L series options also available. It wasn’t exactly fast but it was free revving and quite able to get down the road well enough. The larger engines were thirstier and not as smooth but definitely were more tractable from low revs.

I’m a big fan of the Focus, it’s a great car to drive and as reliable as Japanese alternatives if you select the right engine.

Edited by SLO76 on 07/12/2021 at 11:29

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Engineer Andy
Oddly enough, many lower-spec Fords often are shod on low-er profile (and often rare size combo) tyres. My dad's 08 runout Fiesta Style is shod with 195/50 R15 tyres which cost more than my car's 195/65 R16s but have far less choice/availability and are far lower rated for mpg for some reason, plus the obvious comfort difference.

That comment surprised me since our Mk1 had 195 50 15's which I found cheap and easy to get whereas the 16's on the Mk2 (205 55 16's) were more expensive but still easy to get.

Looked on Mytyres and for the 195 50 15 there are 83 listed starting at £41 for a Toyo. Spend £49 and you get a highly rated Uniroyal.

The 195 65 16 only lists 3 tyres which start at £94 for a Falken.

Tried Kwikfit and the same story. 15 195 50 15 with the Uniroyal listed at £58. Only 2 195 65 16 the cheapest being a Michelin at £138.

Note that I was talking about 195/65 R15, not the16in version - the former is the direct alternative to 205/55 R16. The latter, is, as you've seen, not a popular size and thus much more expensive. The former normally comes in the £45 - £55 range for good summer tyres, with A/S adding on another £5 or so, at least it was last time I checked (I do so for mine just in case I have a problem and need a new tyre in a hurry).

Maybe things have changed more recently for the 195/50 R15 - I checked today on BC and there were a few more available and some newer designed tyres.

I previously (not done so for 6-9 months now - he's barely using his car now) kept an eye on many of the tyre dealers websites on behalf of my dad, and I always found his my expensive than mine (the 16in variety), far less choice (normally only about 10-15, half of which were the never-heard-of ditchfinders, the other half older-design decent makes' tyres with approx E mpg ratings.

On the other hand, the 205/55 R16 and 195/65 R15 are (as shown on many tyre dealers' websites) two of the most popular tyre sizes generally, the second of them because many 'Fiesta-sized vans' are shod with them as well as many cars from the late 90s - early 2010s. As a result, I find they are mostly made up of the best makes, latest tyres with good mpg/wet ratings and normally about 5-10 times the number to choose from.

Things may be changing as the tyre size 205/60 R16 and 17/18in tyres are now getting fitted as OEMs on many 'ordinary' cars, which will change the availability and price differentials due to demand.

My old 96N Micra's 175/60 R13 and the equivalent 155/70 R13 on my dad's previous Fiesta are now hard to come by with the same issues I spoke of above, presumably because no/hardly any new city or supermini cars come with them new. They used to be commonplace 15-20 years ago and cheap as chips, especially the latter tyre size.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - thunderbird

Most Mk II’s used the 101PS 99bhp version of that engine

That could be why it felt so carp compared to the Mk1 1.8. The 1.6 was a Zetec, strange putting a woeful engine into a car with the supposed "sports" trim.

The larger engines were thirstier and not as smooth but definitely were more tractable from low revs

The engine was smooth enough compared to the Mk1 1.8 and as you say was tractable (for a non-turbo). It was slightly better on fuel than the Mk1 but when you consider that the economy of the 180 PS Pulsar is virtually the same it does show how a turbo gives more power/torque with little mpg trade off.

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - thunderbird

Bit lost now. You said in your recent post that "Note that I was talking about 195/65 R15, not the16in version" yet you clearly said "195/50 R15 tyres which cost more than my car's 195/65 R16s" in your original post.

Just had a look on Mytyres and the 195 55 15 is virtually the same price as the 195 50 15 but using the Uniroyal as an example the tyre offered in 195 65 15 is the lower spec RainExpert instead of the RainSport.

So which is it?

Focus MK2 sized car wanted - automatic - Engineer Andy

Bit lost now. You said in your recent post that "Note that I was talking about 195/65 R15, not the16in version" yet you clearly said "195/50 R15 tyres which cost more than my car's 195/65 R16s" in your original post.

Just had a look on Mytyres and the 195 55 15 is virtually the same price as the 195 50 15 but using the Uniroyal as an example the tyre offered in 195 65 15 is the lower spec RainExpert instead of the RainSport.

So which is it?

Sorry - confusing myself - the last number should've been R15. I will give the excuse that I was hungry at the time. :-)

To clarify - the 195/50 R15 was more expensive and less choice of newer design tyres available than the 195/65 R15, last time I checked.