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Mazda CX-5 - Topping-up oil - Jedzi

I've an 18 reg Mazda CX-5, petrol, 2 litre.

I recently checked the oil and it's a little low, nothing sudden though.

I want to top it up and I've got some 5W/30. The manual says I can use 5W/30 or 0W/20

However ... I don't know what's in there, does it matter if I mixed viscosities and / or brands?

Mazda CX-5 - Topping-up oil - bathtub tom

You need to use the oil recommended in the handbook. Several manufacturers have specific recommendations, others quote an API or ACEA. You need to read the small print as well as the viscosity.

Mazda CX-5 - Topping-up oil - FP

The owner's handbook says only "Use SAE 5W-30 engine oil". It recommends Castrol.

However, Mazda's online manual quotes - for petrol engines: API SN or ACEA A5/B5; for diesel: ACEA C3.

(owners-manual.mazda.com/gen/en/cx-5/cx-5_8ft1ee17b...l)

Mazda CX-5 - Topping-up oil - edlithgow

IIRC there are (very rare) documented US examples of engine failures at extreme low temperatures, due to an unexpected interaction between the viscosity modifiers causing gelling.

In general, oils are (or were) supposed to be mixable, but the ASTMS test requirements for compatibility are very limited.

In terms of manufacturers specification, if both oils meet the spec the mix should too. Mixing viscosities per se should not be an issue. You end up with an intermediate viscosity skewed towards the lower viscosity component, though the exact resultant viscosity is not calculable.

If I had a fancy modern car with manufacturer specifications for oil, which had to operate at low temperatures, I wouldn't chance it.

Since I don't, I mix straight SAE40 1:1 with 15W40 or 20W50. This seems to work very well.

bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/engine-after-sit.../

The SAE40 has no VM, so interactions are unlikely, and I never see temperatures below 0C

Mazda CX-5 - Topping-up oil - John F

I want to top it up and I've got some 5W/30. The manual says I can use 5W/30 or 0W/20

However ... I don't know what's in there, does it matter if I mixed viscosities .......

No

...or brands?

No. And as long as it's above the minimum mark on the dipstick you don't need to 'top it up' yet. There's a widespread misconception that oil must be kept 'topped up' at or near the maximum mark. In winter, it's probably best for the engine to have it nearer the minimum mark, because it'll warm up that bit quicker. And if it's coming up for an oil change soon it would be a pointless waste of oil.

Mazda CX-5 - Topping-up oil - Andrew-T

<< As long as it's above the minimum mark on the dipstick you don't need to 'top it up' yet. There's a widespread misconception that oil must be kept 'topped up' at or near the maximum mark. >>

I don't think there is anything exact about either of the marks on a dipstick. Dipsticks and the tubes some of them occupy will not be made precisely enough for all to represent exactly the same amount of oil. But on any given vehicle they are a fixed mark to show whether oil is being 'used' - provided they are checked under the same conditions: level ground and when engine has cooled.

Personally I am a dipstick-full rather than a dipstick-empty man, but John-F hates the idea of using any unnecessary material, or doing any unnecessary work ... :-)

Mazda CX-5 - Topping-up oil - edlithgow

<< As long as it's above the minimum mark on the dipstick you don't need to 'top it up' yet. There's a widespread misconception that oil must be kept 'topped up' at or near the maximum mark. >>

I don't think there is anything exact about either of the marks on a dipstick. Dipsticks and the tubes some of them occupy will not be made precisely enough for all to represent exactly the same amount of oil. But on any given vehicle they are a fixed mark to show whether oil is being 'used' - provided they are checked under the same conditions: level ground and when engine has cooled.

Personally I am a dipstick-full rather than a dipstick-empty man, but John-F hates the idea of using any unnecessary material, or doing any unnecessary work ... :-)

Checking it, finding it noticably below max, and then NOT topping it up feels like unnecessary work (or at least partly wasted effort) to me.

Also conflicts with my rabid anti-Americanism a bit, since the "widespread misconception" stateside seems to be you shouldnt top it up until it reaches the minimum.

Easy to go below the minimum with that regime.

But of course that wasn't the OP's question.

This was mixing oils, which comes up on the US Oil Obsessive site every now and then, for example

bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mixing-oils.3150.../

Post #11 outlines the downside, though without references. Sieving through other similar threads on there would probably find them, if one could be bothered

Edited by edlithgow on 24/10/2021 at 11:05