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Skoda Fabia Estate 2003 - How many miles from Michelin CrossClimates? - peanutstew

Hi all

I had some Cross Climates fitted to the front of my Fabia a couple of years ago, which now need replacing. They've done around 17,000 miles...

I've been trying to find out whether that's good or not. Some of what I've read would suggest it is low. But then I found an article from a Welsh taxi driver (I'm in Wales too), and I also spoke to a local mechanic. Both said that 17,000 miles is in fact pretty good, and that with a more basic cheaper tyre I'd be looking at getting more like 11,000 miles.

So I wondered what folk 'round here think to all that?

In terms of driving... We're right in the sticks, so a lot of dodgy back roads, but we also have family in Norfolk and so go back a few times a year so a reasonable amount of motorway driving too.

Cheers

Skoda Fabia Estate 2003 - How many miles from Michelin CrossClimates? - catsdad

I still had about 3mm of tread on my CCs after more than 35k. This was on a Civic. I did swap front to back after about 15k. My driving is mainly long distance.

it’s not just miles though. Hard driving, wrong pressures, wheel alignment etc will increase wear. When I worked I used to drive daily through a city with lots of roundabouts, braking and accelerating. Tyres only lasted about 25k.

From your details I think your wear is excessive.

Skoda Fabia Estate 2003 - How many miles from Michelin CrossClimates? - Engineer Andy

I still had about 3mm of tread on my CCs after more than 35k. This was on a Civic. I did swap front to back after about 15k. My driving is mainly long distance.

it’s not just miles though. Hard driving, wrong pressures, wheel alignment etc will increase wear. When I worked I used to drive daily through a city with lots of roundabouts, braking and accelerating. Tyres only lasted about 25k.

From your details I think your wear is excessive.

Indeed - I'm still amazed at how few people these days swap their tyres front to back (and side to side for those which that is possible [not on directional tyres like the CC+ which would need to be completely refitted to accomplish that).

I agree at your assessment of the causes, and it's often a combination of them. I manage to normally get around 40-45k miles out of my tyres (my last set of Dunlops were replaced with CC+ at 25k because of age only and I was downsizing the wheels and tyres from 16in to 15in - another story) and have to replace them due to age/getting too hard (not good in the wet).

Michellin state that their tyres, if looked after and aren't baking in the sun all the time (which is the primary cause of cracking/hardening of the compound) should last 10 years instead of the 6 that HJ used to say was the maximum he'd normally keep a set (including the spare).

The tests for the CC+ on the car mags and TyreReviews.com tend to say that the projected wear (impossible to actually test in one day!) is around the 40,000 mile mark, though I suspect that's for someone who doesn't have a heavy right foot (like me).

Such tests are mostly conducted using a bog standard VW Golf, so are reasonably representative of most small and medium FWD cars (not performance models).

Skoda Fabia Estate 2003 - How many miles from Michelin CrossClimates? - Big John

Hi all

I had some Cross Climates fitted to the front of my Fabia a couple of years ago, which now need replacing. They've done around 17,000 miles...

I've been trying to find out whether that's good or not.

Over 30k miles Crossclimates - Skoda Superb II

Skoda Fabia Estate 2003 - How many miles from Michelin CrossClimates? - peanutstew

Many thanks for the replies.

From the answers on here, on another forum I posted on, and on the internet generally, the answer definitely seems to be "it depends".

30,000 even 40,000+ is what some people get. Others are more like me or even a tad lower. I've done around 17,000 miles in the last two years. I'd say around half of that would be travelling from Wales to Norfolk (so predominantly motorways). The other half is driving very minor roads in rural Wales, some of them barely fit for purpose! I do check pressure often, so don't think that is an issue. But the uneven wear would suggest the tracking is off and perhaps I'd have got more out of them if it wasn't.

What I'd be really interested to know is how many miles I'd get out of a pair of more standard tyres. My mechanic - and the internet blog by the Welsh taxi drive - would suggest around 11,000 miles. I haven't been in Wales long enough to experience it for myself. As such, I'm going to put x3 new Avons ZT5s on and see how it does (one of my tyres is a ZT5 and is quite new). Whilst it is nice to have the CCs, the likelihood of actually needing to drive in bad conditions is tiny with my current lifestyle and work. If that changes then I can reconsider. In the meantime I'll find out first hand how the mileage compares. And if what I've been told RE mileage ends up being true, then I guess it will be CCs all round in the future as they'll actually work out to be cheaper in the long run.

Cheers

EDIT - I should add also what major disagreement I have come across RE have x2 All Seasons vs x4. And if having x2 whether they should be on the front and back. People seem to argue strongly in favour of both sides. It seems increasingly difficult to get a simple answer in life nowadays!

Edited by peanutstew on 17/08/2021 at 16:17

Skoda Fabia Estate 2003 - How many miles from Michelin CrossClimates? - Engineer Andy

In my view, best to stick with the same tyre type (including performance / standard / wet weather special / all season [I would never mix directional tyres with other types]) across all four corners so you get a blanaced feel across them all. I'd also rotate the tyres (as allowed - see other comment earlier) every 5,000 miles or at the annual service - enough to even out the wear from front to back to get the most out of the entire set.

Obviously make sure you keep the tyres properly inflated as per the handbook and whenever you're going to change a set, check the wear across each tyre's width to see if there are any with uneven wear patterns, which would likely indicate either the existing one(s) is out of balance or the tracking is out.

If it looks even (check more than one spot on each tyre [say three around it]), then you shouldn't need the tracking done on that tyre. Tracking being out can be caused by bumping up/against kerbs at speed, damage from potholes, speed humps etc. You might find that's the case if your area has very poorly maintaned roads.

This is the case with my parents' cars over the years (poor roads and lot of speed humps, especially the 'cushion' type [straddling them is bad for the tracking/wheel alignment, going over [one tyre] unless at very low speed can eventually damage the suspension) - they have had to replace many tyres on their Fiestas depsite doing very low mileage compared to the average. Smaller cars are more susceptible to such damage than larger ones.

Some (mostly performance) cars are unfortunately set up for handling so they wear more on one side of the tyres.

Skoda Fabia Estate 2003 - How many miles from Michelin CrossClimates? - Bolt

This is the case with my parents' cars over the years (poor roads and lot of speed humps, especially the 'cushion' type [straddling them is bad for the tracking/wheel alignment, going over [one tyre] unless at very low speed can eventually damage the suspension) - they have had to replace many tyres on their Fiestas

I don`t even bother checking the mileage or switch tyres around, not done that for years as the state of our roads causes eneven wear and quickly wears the tread.

so imo, is no point, I just keep an eye on pressures and tread depth and when needed replace,apart from if I get a puncture which is auto replace as most are in the sidewall part of tyre, so many builders who drop screws and nails its daft, though never had suspension problems going over speed humps, though suspect as others drive mad over them I reckon they probably do... London roads are really bad and even the resurfaced ones don`t take long to deteriorate

Skoda Fabia Estate 2003 - How many miles from Michelin CrossClimates? - madf

2012 Jazz auto driven briskly.

8mm depth new

After 17.5k miles. 5,mm F, 6mm R

So life at least 40,000 miles /could be 50k miles.