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Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Jetsam1

So, starting a new job next month and that is going to entail 2 days in the office and the rest work from home (I do feel pretty lucky for that). So the office is a 3 hour round trip on the motorway.

My fun consideration is that I currently have a 2008 Honda Accord 2.4 TD estate that was bought as an emergency stop gap as got a good deal when the VW Transporter decided to drop its guts everywhere. Now, while it is a nice car, it is feeling a little tired and is quite high mileage and I worry that when I start piling it on we may start to get a few wobbles.

FSH, but not sure the previous (corporate) driver treated it with much respect.

So, my dilemma once I am settled into New Job World is that I may need to think about replacement sooner rather than later. Due to this forum I am looking around at 1.4 and 1.6 petrol engined hatchbacks and small estates but I worry a bit about performance on the motorway and if 100 BHP is really enough. Decided not to have anything as big as an Accord again............

Is 6 hours a week on the motorway just enough to take a risk on a diesal in like say a Golf/Focus type car? 2 kids in tow so a smaller car would not be practical.The petrol I am most familiar with is a 2 ltr Subaru Forester. Haven't driven a smaller engined NA petrol for so long can't really remember much about it.

Running costs would need to be on the affordable side and I am thinking about geting some basic kit so I can do my own oil changing and basics. Have a good local mechanic I can trust as well.

TL:DR.

1.4 or 1.6 Petrol or 1.6/1.5 diesels. The budget would put 1.2 TSI VAG cars in the mix as well.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - SLO76
What’s the budget and where will you be looking?
Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Jetsam1

Good question. I think the age range is going to be 2008 to 2014 or so, roughly under €8000 or so.

I am not fussy but needs to be ok on the motorway.

I am more wondering about non turbo smaller petrols and biggish cars.

Fun one I saw is a VW Touran with a 1.2tsi............ Sure it would be fine!

Maybe if new, Dacia or even Fiat Tipo would be doable. The NA 1.6 petrols in Astras, Mazdas, Focus are all in budget, even the 1.4 in an Astra (I had one as a hire car once driving to Scotland and it was OK overall, only changing down on really big hills).

Choice overload! Not sure if the 1.4tsi VAG engines are worth the risk either.Diesal I want avoid 2 ltrs really as they come across as pricey to run.

Trying to channel all the advice from this forum.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - SLO76
Would a saloon suit or must it be a hatch or estate?
Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Jetsam1

We have the Subaru and a Trailer for the business and dirty offroad stuff. Basically I would look at any body shape to expand my options and not turn a good car down just because it is a saloon!

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - lucklesspedestrian

Seat Leon 110 hp 1.2 TSi hatch (2014/15)

Roomy, surprisingly competent engine for it's size, easy 50mpg on the motorway, ours has been very reliable in 4 years of ownership apart from one failed Nox sensor. It's also really nice to drive on the twisties. Seem to be a fair number available at sensible mileages.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - catsdad
Jetsam I am not sure why you are concerned about VAG 1.4? Cars of the age you are considering will have cam belts, not the problematic VAG chain. I have been really impressed with mine in the Golf and on the motorway it will easliy get 50mpg at a steady 70mph.

If you prefer reliable a chain cam then a mk9 1.8 Civic is with a look. It will be a bit less economical at around 45mpg but should be long lived. Views vary on the driving experience but I was happy for six years with mine and it's a fine motorway car. At 70 it's at a very flexible point of its performance. Later cars are better as there was an oil consumption issue with some 2012 cars.
Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - SLO76

We have the Subaru and a Trailer for the business and dirty offroad stuff. Basically I would look at any body shape to expand my options and not turn a good car down just because it is a saloon!

It is wise to keep your options open.
Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - SLO76
I’m a big fan of Mazda, particularly the 6 2.0 Skyactiv which is robust, reliable, great to drive and decent on fuel. In fact the only downside is that it’s saloon or you’ll need to dig deeper for the harder to find estate. The 2.2 diesels are best avoided however due to well documented reliability problems which don’t affect the petrols.

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Edited by SLO76 on 14/08/2021 at 14:44

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Jetsam1

I have read a lot of horror stories about Japanese diesals in general. My Dad had a 2008 6 2.2 and I think he just got lucky.

I do like the look of Skoda Fabia Estate and the Rapids. Maybe even consider a Golf as well.I am just wondering about anything of the size of the Mazda 6 as our access road can be a little "interesting" and I scratched the Honda several times as it is pretty wide.

So after about 2012 the VAG Tsi 1.4 should be a modified version without the chain issues?

I need a few months to plan at least. Talking it through with the wife.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - SLO76
“ So after about 2012 the VAG Tsi 1.4 should be a modified version without the chain issues?”

In order to be certain you need to step forward to a 2014 model onwards. They switched to belts but it didn’t all happen at the same time for each model. Good friend bought a 2012 Skoda Yeti TSi which turns out to be chain driven despite what the selling dealer told him. The later belt driven TSi motors seem to be pretty robust and are very efficient. I rate the Leon 1.4 TSi, particularly in 150PS FR spec. I still favour the Toyota Auris and Mazda 3 petrols for long term ownership when buying used however.
Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - badbusdriver

but I worry a bit about performance on the motorway and if 100 BHP is really enough.

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even the 1.4 in an Astra (I had one as a hire car once driving to Scotland and it was OK overall, only changing down on really big hills).

I think you may have answered your own question or concern, as unless the Astra in question was a turbo, the 1.4 would have had 100bhp tops.

As someone who has made the road trip between NW England to NE Scotland in a variety of cars with power outputs of 41, 54, 68 and 75bhp respectively, IMO 100bhp is absolutely fine. After all he speed limit is 70mph, which I managed to maintain in a 41bhp Fiat Cinquecento without undue difficulty.

I do like the look of Skoda Fabia Estate and the Rapids.

I'd never really thought much of the Rapid, or its Seat doppelgänger the Toledo, but have been looking at them in a different light recently. Because I live on a narrow street I am kind of obsessed with cars which are 'too wide'. The Rapid/Toledo is a fraction over 1.7m wide, so nice and slim, but it has a very long wheelbase, so plenty of rear legroom. On top of that, it has an enormous boot. One of them with the 110bhp 1.0TSI would be worth a look and should be within budget (though there is also a 110bhp version of the earlier 1.2TSI, just make sure it has belt rather than chain!).

Edited by badbusdriver on 14/08/2021 at 19:53

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - SLO76
“ After all he speed limit is 70mph, which I managed to maintain in a 41bhp Fiat Cinquecento without undue difficulty.”

Some of the most enjoyable drives I’ve ever had on the road have come at the helm of a low powered, light weight car with thin tyres. The pleasure comes from wringing everything from that car, reaching its limits without needing licence losing speed. I have particular fond memories of a Friday night run up a very quiet A82 in a 1991 Fiat Uno 45 Fire in the late 90’s. A good Fiat motor should love to be driven at 100% all the time.
Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Chris M

For a relaxed motorway drive you need torque and bhp. The non turbo 1.4 and the 1.0 turbo Astra have similar bhp but very different torque outputs. No gear changing is required in my 1.0T to maintain progress on any motorway or indeed any of the hills on the A303, some of which are quite steep for a fast A road. £8,000 will get a 4/5 year old SRi with reasonable mileage.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - badbusdriver

I disagree, more torque may make it more relaxing, but a lack of torque and bhp doesn't make it 'not relaxing', not in all the trips I have had with low powered cars anyway.

The OP says he only needed to change down on really big hills in his hired Astra 1.4, so it isn't really an issue. Plus, on the n/a 1.4, it will be lower geared to account for having less torque, hence it isn't missed as much as the figures would suggest. This was the case with my 70bhp VW Caddy van when I drove it home to NE Scotland after buying it in Lancashire. No problem keeping to the speed limit, though the engine was pulling quite a high rpm. On a petrol car, the high rpm wouldn't bother me too much as long as the engine is pretty smooth. When we had a 2002 Peugeot Partner Combi as our family car, we had to head as far as Birmingham for a family wedding but again, no problem keeping to the speed limit, despite the 75bhp being made by the 1.4 petrol. Pulling quite high rpm, yes, but the engine was really smooth.

Finally, the 1.0 turbo has had some issues I believe.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Chris M

My second favourite car was our C1 which I used for my mostly motorway commute to work. It could keep up with the flow on the flat, but I needed to drop a gear on the long incline if speed fell much below 70. A fun drive, but not always relaxing.

"Finally, the 1.0 turbo has had some issues I believe". I'm interested in hearing what those issues have been.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Big John

My son has a 1.2tsi 2016 Octavia bought for less than 8k two years ago - although beware used prices a bit strange at the mo. it's been fabulous thus far and can easily top 50mpg on a run and it doesn't need topping up with oil between services. Low tax, cheap and long life tyres, no DPF , no DMF, external clutch slave.

Edited by Big John on 14/08/2021 at 22:08

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Warning

How many miles has your Honda Accord done?

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - badbusdriver

"Finally, the 1.0 turbo has had some issues I believe". I'm interested in hearing what those issues have been.

Don't remember what specifics were mentioned, but it has certainly cropped up on the forum a few times where an Astra 1.0t (or other Vauxhall with the same engine) has been suggested, possibly SLO knows more?.

MG is also using essentially the same engine in the ZS, and I've read of 'problems' in that application too.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - badbusdriver

Some of the most enjoyable drives I’ve ever had on the road have come at the helm of a low powered, light weight car with thin tyres. The pleasure comes from wringing everything from that car, reaching its limits without needing licence losing speed. I have particular fond memories of a Friday night run up a very quiet A82 in a 1991 Fiat Uno 45 Fire in the late 90’s. A good Fiat motor should love to be driven at 100% all the time.

Me too SLO, there is something very liberating about being able to use all, or most of what a car can offer knowing you won't get in too much trouble!. To use a quote from a learned motoring journalist now long since past (LJK Setright):

"Circumventing the impossibility of going quickly by simply never going slowly"

But even just a long journey, such as borrowing the Fiat Cinquecento (from my work) to go from Wigan to Aberdeenshire. You'd expect the Cinq to be well outside its comfort zone on 70mph roads, but not a bit of it!. An added factor here was that the trip started on Boxing Day, and there was a lot of snow about. Once I got to Aberdeenshire, the Cinq on its little narrow tyres (145's if memory serves) had absolutely no problem scampering about snowy and icy rural roads, running rings around most other cars. Someone suggested adding a little methylated spirits (or cheap Vodka!) to the washer bottle to prevent it freezing up (which was the only problem heading North).

One other 'vehicle' I've owned, with even less power than the Cinq was a Suzuki ST90 panel van (like a Bedford Rascal). Its 800cc engine made 38bhp, but I thoroughly enjoyed my holiday/road trip driving from Aberdeen up to Scrabster, then across to the Orkney Islands to see family friends. This involved sleeping in the back of the van on a few layers of thick cardboard (and in a sleeping bag), and while the speedometer didn't work, I'd guess its natural gait to be around 50mph, where it was quite happy. Coming home, going across the Kessock bridge to Inverness in strong winds was not quite so much fun with the van behaving more like a windsurfer!.

My second favourite car was our C1 which I used for my mostly motorway commute to work. It could keep up with the flow on the flat, but I needed to drop a gear on the long incline if speed fell much below 70. A fun drive, but not always relaxing.

For 3 years (2008-2011) we had a Daihatsu Sirion 1.0 as our family car. This is the same engine used in your C1 along with the 107/108 and Aygo. During this time, we went from North Aberdeenshire to Wigan a couple of times, and on to Solihull once. As far as I recall, only once did I have to change down from 5th to maintain the legal limit or higher. That one time was heading North up Beattock on the steepest part of the climb, where we dropped to just under 65mph so I put it in 4th gear and we were back up just over 70mph before getting over the top. I honestly found that car very relaxing at main road speeds, it didn't seem to have any issues cruising up to and just over 80mph!. Can't remember what rpm it was pulling at that speed, but the engine certainly wasn't intrusive. Very comfy seats too, which is not always the case in a small car.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Jetsam1

Around 250,000 miles. So OK for the occasional longer trip as working from home but starting to pile on the miles which is a concern, Plus it is a big diesal.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - badbusdriver

Around 250,000 miles. So OK for the occasional longer trip as working from home but starting to pile on the miles which is a concern, Plus it is a big diesal.

That it is a diesel shouldn't be too much of a concern by itself. The problems with more modern diesels usually arise through doing short, stop start journeys, which don't allow the emissions equipment to function properly.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Jetsam1

Around 250,000 miles. So OK for the occasional longer trip as working from home but starting to pile on the miles which is a concern, Plus it is a big diesal.

That it is a diesel shouldn't be too much of a concern by itself. The problems with more modern diesels usually arise through doing short, stop start journeys, which don't allow the emissions equipment to function properly.

Yep. I am working from home but the office is one and a half hours away by motorway and I need two days there. So a good steady motorway run for 3 hours minimum every week. My concern with the car is that there are seemingly a few little gremlins starting to develop partly with some of the electrics and just feels sometimes, a bit, odd and flimsy.

I was expecting maybe far two much from a 13 year old Honda!

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Ian_SW

You may as well keep and use the Honda until it expires or brings up a huge bill as it won't be worth anything. Assuming it's been well enough maintained to remain safe, the worst that can happen is that you spend an hour or so waiting for a recovery truck and are late for work that day.

After that, I'd aim for something fairly common with comfortable seats. Relatively underpowered cars with small normally aspirated engines are perfectly fast enough for the motorway, just a little noisier. It's on the hilly country roads they can be hard work. I had a hired base model Vauxhall Crossland for a 6 hour round trip in a day for work a while back. It had something like 80bhp from its 1.2 engine, yet despite the relative bulk of the car happily ran on the motorway without needing to change gear all the time. It was revving at something approaching 4000rpm at 70mph, but once I'd got used to that and stopped thinking I'd accidentally left it in third, it wasn't a problem and it still did nearly 50mpg.

Note that I wouldn't recommend buying that particular car (though they are quite cheap for the amount of space you get!), more an example that small normally aspirated engines can be fine for motorway use.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Terry W

Small is fun - it can be driven with enthusiasm without seriously risking your licence providing a little sense is applied. Low bhp and narrow tyres tests driving ability in a way that lots of power and auto baxes do not.

But small is rarely relaxing. High RPM is niosier. Less sound deadening is noisier. Shorter wheelbase and track usually makes for less compliant suspension. Joining motorways and overtaking more stressful. Need for weight saving with low power means (often) trim rattles and built to a price seating.

Around town and short trips little may be a reasonable choice. For longer trips and serious commuting it would be some degree of comfort every time. Coming home tired in the evening in November is when you want to waft, not enjoy the pin sharp handling and steering precision whilst your ears are assaulted with 6000 rpm.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - Smileyman

The 1.0 VW engine in my 2017 Toledo cruises at 70mph with ease, returns over 50mpg and has sufficient power when needed for a spurt of acceleration. At the motorway speed it is smooth & fairly quiet.

Honda, Ford Vauxhall, VW, Skoda etc - New job (Yay!) maybe need a new car.... - SLO76

The 1.0 VW engine in my 2017 Toledo cruises at 70mph with ease, returns over 50mpg and has sufficient power when needed for a spurt of acceleration. At the motorway speed it is smooth & fairly quiet.

I’ve recently had the pleasure of a drive in a colleagues Seat Lean with the same engine and I was very impressed by it, so much so that I thought it was a 1.4 TSI 125 rather than a 1.0 TSi. It pulled very well with little turbo lag.