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Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Steveieb

How I miss looking down on the bonnet of a car and having a raised marker in the centre just like fitted to the M1 Accord and Morris Miner and MB emblem .

lt gave a sense of direction and helped to navigate in confined spaces.

Now all we see from the drivers seat is wall to wall digital displays and we have to navigate blindly with limited vision because of thick A pillars and limited rear view due to styling influences such as found on the CHR and CX3 30 .

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Engineer Andy

You also notice with each generation of a car that the windows get smaller, especially the rear/rear passengers' ones. With those bigger pillars, it's no wonder they need all those parking sensors and lane departure/blind spot warning systems. I just have to worry about backing into things because my Mazda3 gen-1 saloon has a very high bootline.

There are days I still miss my mid 90s Micra which was a doddle to park, and soooo airy - all those large windows!

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - RichT54

The new Honda Jazz Hybrid has much better visibility than the C-HR I had before. The A-pillars are very slim, making the angle of view out the front very wide.

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Xileno

Interesting to see how Honda have managed with slim A pillars, since these were traditionally needed for decent crash ratings. The offset frontal is particularly brutal and difficult to cater for.

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Andrew-T

How I miss looking down on the bonnet of a car and having a raised marker in the centre just like fitted to the M1 Accord and Morris Miner ...

Designed for the South Wales and Yorkshire markets .... :-)

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - focussed

How I miss looking down on the bonnet of a car and having a raised marker in the centre just like fitted to the M1 Accord and Morris Miner ..

"A man has to know his limitations"

Harry Callahan

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - badbusdriver

Interesting to see how Honda have managed with slim A pillars, since these were traditionally needed for decent crash ratings. The offset frontal is particularly brutal and difficult to cater for.

Honda have cleverly positioned the main load bearing pillars at the leading edge of the front door, far enough back in your peripheral vision not to be too intrusive. Because of this, the additional pillars between the edge of the windscreen and quarter windows can be extra slim as they don't need to provide much strength.

The end result is not too different from the classic SAAB 99 and 900 with their 'wrap around' windscreen.

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Steveieb

From my own observations , I found the worst offender for forward visibility is a Renault Captur. Huge A pillars at the front which make the car feel claustrophobic to the driver and difficult to judge obstructions.

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - ExA35Owner

A-posts protect in a rollover situation - it's particularly difficult to make them slim if the windscreen is steeply raked to improve the drag coefficient, as they would have to withstand a bending load. And the standard required has been - quite reasonably - been raised in regulations. Rear windows become smaller because they are lighter, so reducing fuel consumption. And the devices in the middle of the bonnet are of course a hazard to pedestrians in a collision. So good reasons for the design changes, although with side effects.

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - badbusdriver

Honda have cleverly positioned the main load bearing pillars at the leading edge of the front door, far enough back in your peripheral vision not to be too intrusive. Because of this, the additional pillars between the edge of the windscreen and quarter windows can be extra slim as they don't need to provide much strength.

The end result is not too different from the classic SAAB 99 and 900 with their 'wrap around' windscreen.

Forgot to say, and I'm not sure if it is what you had in mind Xileno, but my comments above are re the current Honda Jazz.

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Steveieb

Sorry it was the Kadja I was referring to with the poor visibility.

But all this becomes so apparent when you drive a car from the early 2000 s .

So much improved visibility and ease of reversing and judging the footprint of the car whilst parking.

Improved safety ok but at what cost to driving ease ?

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Engineer Andy

From my own observations , I found the worst offender for forward visibility is a Renault Captur. Huge A pillars at the front which make the car feel claustrophobic to the driver and difficult to judge obstructions.

You'd think that with all the improvements in modern material science/metallurgy and scrutural engineering that vehicle structures would be getting less intrusive/more airy and not the opposite.

It appears that they are going the easy route for improved crash protection but (IMHO) significantly sacrificing visibility whilst jacking up prices by compensating with yet more sensor arrays/safety systems.

The problem with such electronic safety systems is that they can fail just when you need them, whereas at least a car with decent all-around visibility etc will make accident avoidance/obstruction avoidance/parking relatively straight forward.

That and making car ownership a LOT cheaper.

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Bolt

compensating with yet more sensor arrays/safety systems.

more likely compensating for some drivers lack of attention, which is getting worse, some appear to think they can see the road without looking while chatting to the passenger, so is it any wonder they want electronics to take over from driver they are far safer !

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Engineer Andy

compensating with yet more sensor arrays/safety systems.

more likely compensating for some drivers lack of attention, which is getting worse, some appear to think they can see the road without looking while chatting to the passenger, so is it any wonder they want electronics to take over from driver they are far safer !

I think a lot of people nowadays rely on said safety devices and systems too heavily, driving more agressively and lazily (like chatting with passengers, fiddling with a mobile phone, drinking, etc) believing that those systems will warn/save them if they err.

Not sure if it was HJ who first mentioned this, another Backroomer or a Telegraph reader who wrote/emailed him on his old Saturday column many years ago, but whoever it was suggested the best 'safety device' would be to install a big metal spike on the centre of the steering wheel facing the driver!

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Bolt

I think a lot of people nowadays rely on said safety devices and systems too heavily

I`m not so sure many know what they are or what they do, so to rely on something you don`t know about is daft, you also don`t think "oh" because I have this safety system fitted I`m free to not look at the road.

people tend to do what they do without thinking and in most cases they don`t worry about not looking at the road as they think they are in control, and the other driver is going to keep clear, as I said, just because a car is fitted with all the safety gear doesn`t mean the driver has a clue what it means or does....

I know this from my sil who hasn`t a clue what any of it does, she just drives the car.

she isn`t the only one either...as she likes a conversation as she drives and always has done, had as many accidents as well but blames everyone else!

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Andrew-T

<< ... whoever it was suggested the best 'safety device' would be to install a big metal spike on the centre of the steering wheel facing the driver! >>

That suggestion is at least 30 years old, and while it is clearly not serious, the basic 'point' is valid. The safest way to drive is to not to let your attention wander - which is easily done on M'ways, which tend to encourage zombie-style driving.

Even autonomous cars are not able to cope with every possible eventuality.

Honda Accord Mk 1 - Command post driving position - Steveieb

Returning to the original thread.
When you drive a modern car and then return to one built 20 years ago you realise how claustrophobic modern cars have become to the driver and occupants

Just like being in the. Cockpit of a plane .

Certainly wouldn’t like to travel in the rear seats of a Mazda CX3, CHR or Kadja. Apart from the small windows the front view is obstructed by the front head rests.