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Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - garcon6
Due full servicing tomorrow. Enquiring regarding a Air Con, re-gas, haven’t had it one done since I bought the car in 2016.
Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - SLO76
If it still works then it doesn’t need done.
Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - daveyjp

If the air is still cold when set to the lowest temp I wouldn't touch it.

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - garcon6
Thank you. It’s still cold, though I don’t tend to use it too much.
Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - DavidGlos
Thank you. It’s still cold, though I don’t tend to use it too much.

…best to use it occasionally year round, to keep the seals lubricated.
Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - garcon6
Thanks.
Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - FP

The A/C in my current Mazda, bought second-hand in 2016, has never had any maintenance and works fine.

I ran my previous car, a Ford Focus, for years, passed it on to my stepson and when he got rid of it, at 160,000 miles or something, the A/C had never been touched either.

I would make sure I used it reasonably frequently, that's all.

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - garcon6
Thanks.
Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Rerepo

My experience with aircon is, '..if it works don't fix it'.. Once someone starts messing with it you forever need re-gasses etc.

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Bromptonaut

My experience with aircon is, '..if it works don't fix it'.. Once someone starts messing with it you forever need re-gasses etc.

I've had it re gassed twice in one car, a Y2K X reg Citroen Xantia where the air con's performance seemed to reduce over 2-3 years.

In later vehicles, 2013 Berlingo, 2011 Roomster and 2016 Fabia it's not been touched. The Berlingo's was still cold enough yesterday that I directed the flow away from me while Mrs B was saying she was too warm.......

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Xileno

I'm sure there was an aircon specialist on here quite a long time ago who reckoned if it's working then best leave it alone. However, others say it loses a certain percentage of the gas each year so who knows. A figure of 5% springs to mind.

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - elekie&a/c doctor

Car makers work to achieve a max loss of 20 gms per annum . However ,in real life this is not always the case.

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Engineer Andy

I'm sure there was an aircon specialist on here quite a long time ago who reckoned if it's working then best leave it alone. However, others say it loses a certain percentage of the gas each year so who knows. A figure of 5% springs to mind.

I suspect that's based on usage, especially the lack of use of it in the winter, when presumably some will inevatbly leak as the seals/parts aren't lubricated by the system in use.

I find jamming the temperature down to minimum once a fortnight to a month in colder weather for about 5-10 mins, then compensating back up to max. hot for the same does the trick and keeps the air ducts free of the microscoipic nasties that can give off that musty smell and which won't do our respiratory systems any good.

It does use a bit more fuel, but it's probably far cheaper than regassing and replacing worn-out parts every few years. Thus far, I've not had to regas my car's system in the 15 years of its life...touch wood. It may have leaked a bit, but not yet enough to present a problem in use.

It would be interesting to see how much a top-up/regas would cost, given mine (if I recall) uses R134a and not the R1234y now (wrongly) touted by manufacturers as better all-around (it may be less bad for the environment, but from most accounts is far more prone to leaks).

I'm not even sure if R134a is still available (to car repairers - it probably still is to the construction industry for commercial A/C systems) for regassing, and even if it is, how expensive it would be. Anyone had a recent experience of this, availability and cost-wise? I certainly wouldn't be keen on degassing mine and replacing it with R1234y unless I absolutely had to.

Given the OP also has a Mazda, I'll be interested to hear of their experience once it has been done (if they have it done at all). I agree with those saying if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 07/07/2021 at 10:45

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Steveieb

The air con on my A4 is shot and a repair will cost more than the car is worth. German design incorporates the clutch inside the compressor so when breaks up shards of metal spread around the complete system.
My indie has just repaired a similar one and it cost £2500.

How simple to fit a clutch to the external drive shaft where it can do not catastrophic damage

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Andrew-T

The air con on my A4 is shot and a repair will cost more than the car is worth.

Those two values are not connected. If the car is worth repairing (to you) then get the aircon fixed. It will cost you less than scrapping and finding another car.

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Steveieb

I’m sure you are right Andrew but when no one can give me an idea of costs and whether it will fix the system for more than a short time I’ve not progressed this option.

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Engineer Andy

The air con on my A4 is shot and a repair will cost more than the car is worth.

Those two values are not connected. If the car is worth repairing (to you) then get the aircon fixed. It will cost you less than scrapping and finding another car.

True, but I suppose it always depends upon how long the car has left before the body rots (it will eventually) or other major parts go kaput. Plus how much you love that car...

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Andrew-T

<< I suspect that's based on usage, especially the lack of use of it in the winter, when presumably some will inevatbly leak as the seals/parts aren't lubricated by the system in use. >>

The obvious purpose of air-con is to cool a car in hot weather, but it can be equally (perhaps more) useful in winter to clear misting on the screen.

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Archie35

I find jamming the temperature down to minimum once a fortnight to a month in colder weather for about 5-10 mins, then compensating back up to max. hot for the same does the trick and keeps the air ducts free of the microscoipic nasties that can give off that musty smell and which won't do our respiratory systems any good.

An aircon repair specialist once advised me to occasionally spray a small bit of bleach into the air intake, with the aircon running, and then turn it off about 2 seconds later (ie just long enough for it to be sucked into the pipes, but hopefully before it gets into the cabin!). Then leave overnight to dry. He swore that is the best way of keeping the system clear of bacteria and mould, and just as effective as paying $$ to a garage for an aircon clean. I've never tried it (nor paid those $$), so no doubt am breathing in those nasties.

He also advised to keep it on swtiched on all year around - it'll automatically disengage if it is too cold to operate, but it's less likely to leak if it runs most of the time, and these days barely impacts fuel economy (it was different in the early days of car aircon).

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - bathtub tom
It would be interesting to see how much a top-up/regas would cost, given mine (if I recall) uses R134a and not the R1234y now (wrongly) touted by manufacturers as better all-around (it may be less bad for the environment, but from most accounts is far more prone to leaks).

Had my Yaris done earlier this year at an a/c specialist, as I thought the a/c wasn't cooling very well (I've thought it not up to much since I bought the car seven years ago). It had lost around 30% R134A and cost seventy quid. It made no noticeable difference, the a/c's still carp. I could've had it done at thick twit for twenty quid less, but would you risk it?

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - madf

Kwikfit regassed our 2003 Yaris in 2010. still blows cold.

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - galileo

My 12 year old i30 still had 280 gm of the original 530 when I had it topped up in May. Was still working but noticeably colder after the top-up.

So 250 lost in 12 years agrees with the sort of figure mentioned above. I do run it all year round, as recommended to keep seals lubricated.

The top up was £65,by the way, I think Halfords charge about £75.

Edited by galileo on 07/07/2021 at 16:43

Mazda 5, 2013. - Air con, re-gas - Grenache

My previous car needed a top-up, so I bought one of these DIY aircon recharge cans in H4lfords and it did the job fine, aircon worked perfectly after that. provided the low-pressure valve is accessible, it's a 10-minute job.