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See the title of this post and the immediate thought that popped in to my head was what will I have for dinner on Friday now if theirs a chip shortage
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As most modern infotainment systems have Android Auto and Apple iplay, I feel there is little need to have an inbuilt satnav. Android/Apple have several gps mapping apps that are free and superior to most clunky manufacturer efforts
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See the title of this post and the immediate thought that popped in to my head was what will I have for dinner on Friday now if theirs a chip shortage
((chuckle)) Millions of working class people now breathing a sigh of relief.
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I see some of the new car makers are shipping cars without satnav as they cannot get enough of the chips. Screen looks the same just doesnt have a Satnav.
Wonder how long this will go on?
Most of the tech websites think it will be a year or two before things get back to normal.
iirc it was mentioned last year the chip shortage will last a couple of years, I think TSMC are in the process of building extentions to there factories to help keep up with demand, others are flat out making chips for Pcs as there is a shortage of graphics cards, so cars will have to wait for them...
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Mines been waiting since 1985. I'm starting to think maybe I won't bother after all.
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I've just experienced this, ordered new car ( Corsa Sri premium nav) for delivery in September but it won't have nav!! not to worried as I always use my phone and the lack of nav was reflected in the price.
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Oh we’ll get places, it’ll just take longer on occasion not knowing what the traffic ahead is like.
175 mile drive for me tomorrow, home to hotel. I can easily do it without the assistance of sat nav, but I won’t know whether it’s quicker going M62/M1, M60/M56/M6/M1, or a cheeky run Stoke to East Midlands Airport via the A50 then M1.
Could always listen to the traffic reports on the radio?.
Old school I know but....................
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It’s fine using maps on your phone, but I’m not on a contract with unlimited data, so it’s quickly used up
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It’s fine using maps on your phone, but I’m not on a contract with unlimited data, so it’s quickly used up
depending on phone, Google maps should only use about 5mb per hour, most is used up on search and find which could be done on Wi Fi to get started, which will save a few MB, apart from area and battery drain which in certain cases battery drain is worse than Data used.
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Just seen another figure of 2.19MB per hour, which means 457 hours to get through 1GB. An hour’s Google Maps is equivalent to one song on Spotify.
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It’s fine using maps on your phone, but I’m not on a contract with unlimited data, so it’s quickly used up
Download your local maps to your phone. It then only needs a much reduced data flow.
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‘Could always listen to the traffic reports on the radio?.
Old school I know but....................’
I’ve not done that in years, but the traffic bulletin generally appeared just as traffic ground to a halt... No, thanks - I’ll carry on using Google Maps and Waze on my trusty iPhone 8.
Edited by mcb100 on 29/06/2021 at 09:20
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If you want real time traffic info on your inbuilt satnav equivalent to the likes of google maps you still need online data connectivity. TMC or traffic messaging channel (via radio) if used by your satnav is often woefully late and out of date.. The other day mine kept insisting I was driving on a closed part of the M1.
Google maps and others have offline modes where you can download maps beforehand over wifi.
As others say, online traffic info uses very little data.
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‘Could always listen to the traffic reports on the radio?.
Old school I know but....................’
I’ve not done that in years, but the traffic bulletin generally appeared just as traffic ground to a halt... No, thanks - I’ll carry on using Google Maps and Waze on my trusty iPhone 8.
If the traffic bulletin appears just as the traffic grinds to a halt (i.e, as the incident happens), that would be extremely quick would it not?. Difficult to see what advantage Google Maps or Waze could offer in that situation unless they have the ability to see into the future. Either way, if you have already passed the previous exit to the incident, you are kinda stuck there like everyone else.
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I’m just going to take a guess that you haven’t used either?
They are stunningly accurate in knowing where traffic is slowing, and quick to react/re plan the route. A friend and I, running 5 minutes apart on the M6 a couple of years ago, me with nav running, him not. I got directed off the motorway, up the A5 and back on a couple of junctions later. He passed the junction, came to a halt, and took 14 hours to get from MK to Stirling because of a serious RTA and road closure.
Google Maps will show amber/red for traffic queuing at lights, whilst Waze will warn of vehicles stopped on the hard shoulder (if there is one), as well as natural hazards such as standing water or fog.
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Google and others use data being fed back to them constantly in realtime from mobile phones using their app. In particular speed information, which they push through their magic algorithms with millions of other phone data to give virtually instant road traffic conditions. Also users can easily report accidents etc and they do.
TMC rely mainly on highway agencies, police etc to submit data, always after the event.
BBC probably use TMC and people phoning in ttraffic problems. Aways well after the event as its only broadcast every half hour at best. Plus of course Sally Traffic's insight into recurrimg issues, except Sally doesnt live there anymore.
Edited by brum on 29/06/2021 at 13:48
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Google and others use data being fed back to them constantly in realtime from mobile phones using their app. In particular speed information, which they push through their magic algorithms with millions of other phone data to give virtually instant road traffic conditions. Also users can easily report accidents etc and they do.
TMC rely mainly on highway agencies, police etc to submit data, always after the event.
BBC probably use TMC and people phoning in ttraffic problems. Aways well after the event as its only broadcast every half hour at best. Plus of course Sally Traffic's insight into recurrimg issues, except Sally doesnt live there anymore.
Is the TMC the system that you activate via the TP (travel progamme) button on the ICE? I've never used mine - heard it on my parents' previous car where a traffic report interrupts the radio broadcast occasionally.
Since I got a smartphone, I've always used that. Just glad I replaced my old one (Win8 Phone), where Here Maps had been downgraded so it didn't have live traffic updates/delay times, etc. Still useful as a satnav map though, as long as there's no problems on the roads!
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Yes we all know how to use google for navigation but surely there are other chips in new cars that impart on there production. How does the whole touch screen work if not operated by a chip and other electronics relating to the cars ecu and other component parts
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Is the TMC the system that you activate via the TP (travel programme) button on the ICE? I've never used mine - heard it on my parents' previous car where a traffic report interrupts the radio broadcast occasionally.
No, 2 different systems both part of RDS
TA (Traffic Announcement) interrupts the radio broadcast and switches temporarily to a local radio station when they have a traffic announcement. Sometimes the announcer forgets to turn it off and you'll end up listening to the local radio station.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_announcement_(radio_data_systems)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System
TMC is a international digital data protocol used to transmit traffic related data to use in navigation systems.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel
Edited by brum on 29/06/2021 at 18:53
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Is the TMC the system that you activate via the TP (travel programme) button on the ICE? I've never used mine - heard it on my parents' previous car where a traffic report interrupts the radio broadcast occasionally.
No, 2 different systems both part of RDS
TA (Traffic Announcement) interrupts the radio broadcast and switches temporarily to a local radio station when they have a traffic announcement. Sometimes the announcer forgets to turn it off and you'll end up listening to the local radio station.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_announcement_(radio_data_systems)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System
TMC is a international digital data protocol used to transmit traffic related data to use in navigation systems.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel
Cheers! Something for my next car then.
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I have a feature on my Mondeo that uses something like TMC. I have information on delays and roadworks for quite some distance and if I have a route programmed it can divert me around delays. I used it a couple of years ago on the M6 when then was an incident causing 30 mins delays - it alerted me and gave me a route around the incident. I popped out at J21 with about an additional 5mins on the journey but nothing like the 30mins delay.
I now use the satnav for all long drives (not recently) just in case thre is a problem even if I know where I am going
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