Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 08:42
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Ceri Webb

Hi, I have been given a car as a swap for a van of my partners, the person named on the v5 (not the legal owner) has kicked off at my friend giving it to me even though I have proof of him giving it to me and messages since about fixing it up up until yesterday, she had the notification to say I’ve applied for a logbook and is now insisting it’s her car I’ve stole it (been on my drive since 9th March pics to prove so) she has made him write a receipt to her for the car, long story short he’s a banned driver she put her name on the logbook so he could tax it and insure it and use it ?? as he got caught drink driving in her car she now thinks she has ownership over it, need advice on where we stand legally, we insure and tax it so responsible money wise for it but she refuses to allow my v62 to take effect ?? all such a mess he was a good friend but he’s chosen someone like her (alcoholic) over me a person who has done nothing but help him Any advice would be appreciated, atm it’s on a private drive so can’t be touched by them or I will call the police, sadly they are not nice people to deal with

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Edited by _ORB_ on 13/04/2021 at 09:15

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 08:49
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - badbusdriver

The person named on the V5 is the legal owner. The person who you claim is the legal owner is not the legal owner, as their name was not on the V5, therefore that person, has no legal right to give you the car.

The police are going to be no help, as neither you, nor the person who gave you the car, are the legal owner of the car.

There may be some leeway if the person who gave you the car has only owned it for a very short period of time (i.e, hadn't got round to sending off the V5 for change of ownership details), but I don't think you've a leg to stand on.

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 08:55
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Bromptonaut

The person named on the V5 is the legal owner. The person who you claim is the legal owner is not the legal owner, as their name was not on the V5, therefore that person, has no legal right to give you the car.

Thats not right. The person on the V5 is the Registered Keeper. They may or may not, for all sorts of reasons, be the legal owner. The most common is finance, probably unlikely with an older car but all sorts of other complications can be involved not least in cases like this.

Keepership may be strong evidence of ownership but it is not conclusive.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 13/04/2021 at 08:56

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:11
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - John F

she has made him write a receipt to her for the car,

If a receipt says something like ....' Jamie Bloggs received the sum of (£x) from (y) for car (z)', it would appear that 'y' is now the owner of car 'z', assuming that Jamie Bloggs can produce an earlier receipt proving ownership in the first place. The difficulty appears to be proving ownership of a gift without some sort of written statement. All grist to the mill of our dysfunctional national legal service.

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:20
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Ceri Webb
she has made him write a receipt to her for the car,

If a receipt says something like ....' Jamie Bloggs received the sum of (£x) from (y) for car (z)', it would appear that 'y' is now the owner of car 'z', assuming that Jamie Bloggs can produce an earlier receipt proving ownership in the first place. The difficulty appears to be proving ownership of a gift without some sort of written statement. All grist to the mill of our dysfunctional national legal service.

John F, I very much doubt they have the brains to make it a formal note, I know the person who sold him the car and it’s prob on his bank statement as going out, the reason they all want it back is due to not having any money to feed the habit I’m sure of that, I have loads of proof here that it was given to me and who the owner was even his own mother has the proof she will back me up as she knows what the woman is like.
Friendship totally ruined which is a shame but I will always stand up for what I feel is right, I won’t allow her to bully me like she has done with him he’s to weak and reliant on her to stand up to her unfortunately.
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Tue 13 Apr 2021 08:57
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - mcb100

Sorry, I have to disagree. The V5 shows the legal keeper, who's not necessarily the owner. It says on the front of a V5 that 'This document is not proof of ownership'.

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:00
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - bathtub tom

Sorry BBD, you're wrong!

The front page of the V5 clearly states:

THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP.

It shows who is responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle.

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:01
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Ceri Webb
Sounds like I have a battle on my hands then, they have a van that belonged to my partner as a swap for the car which they still have and have broken we also have the proof of the swap in writing for that, I am going to be seeking legal advice on it find out for sure what the situation is, the person on the v5 broke the law anyway by allowing her name to be put on the document for a banned driver to use.
I also know the person that sold the car to my friend who can back me up of who he sold the car to which is the person that gave it to me.
Thank you for the advice it’s all so worrying especially if they turn up at m door with my young children home.
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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:15
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - badbusdriver

Okay okay, I'm wrong!.

Not sure how that will help the OP though. It sounds like a very tricky situation, maybe post the thread in the 'legal' section of the forum with a more detailed description of exactly what proof you have of the swap?.

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:17
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Xileno

Thread moved from General forum.

Edited by Xileno on 13/04/2021 at 09:18

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:21
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Ceri Webb
Badbusdriver.

Thank you I will do that any advice is much appreciated right now.
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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:23
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - John F
I also know the person that sold the car to my friend who can back me up of who he sold the car to which is the person that gave it to me.

Excellent. Hopefully the first person can supply a receipt (see my above post), and the second person can supply a written a gift statement. Oh, and ignore the overconfident but erroneous shouty bold type in the 0849 above post about V5 ownership.

Edited by John F on 13/04/2021 at 09:25

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:21
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Andrew-T

Sounds as if this whole thing may be a dodge to prevent a banned driver being spotted in a vehicle registered to him.

Have you got all the keys to the car on your drive ?

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:26
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Ceri Webb
Andrew T

I have the car, they key and all the paperwork, her to say it’s been stolen will make her look silly as I’ve had it over a month now, I have witnesses who saw me collect the key from my friend and all the messages of him saying yes I have the key come and get it and to move it off the drive where it was whenever I want. I also have txts from even yesterday with me and the person talking about doing it up until she kicked off over the notification from dvla to say I’ve applied for a logbook. It’s taxed and insured by us, I will be writing to the dvla to explain the situation see what they say.
Yes you are right it was all done with the purpose of allowing him to drive which is disagreed with and said so on several occasions but was ignored, this could get messy for them also as I know what’s been going on and won’t hold back in telling police so either.

She has one key for the car that unlocks it I have the main one that starts it if that helps my cause.

Edited by Ceri Webb on 13/04/2021 at 09:27

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:43
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Andrew-T
She has one key for the car that unlocks it. I have the main one that starts it if that helps my cause.

Most vehicles come with two keys. So if the ones you mention are different, there may be copies somewhere else ?

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 10:22
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Ceri Webb
Andrew T

I will ring the dvla today and seek advice from them about it all as it’s taxed and insured in our name, we have all the proof needed and actually just found more to prove he was the owner of the vehicle which I’m hoping will help us more.
Her key only opens it it won’t start the ignition and they definitely don’t have the cash or brains to get copies I know that much, the steering wheel has a lock on it anyway so they can’t just take it that way, until I know legally the standing on it I won’t be doing anything, I’ve had threatening messages and tons of phone calls from them all which I’ve left unanswered.
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Tue 13 Apr 2021 11:46
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - bathtub tom
I’ve had threatening messages and tons of phone calls from them all which I’ve left unanswered.

Write to them, stating you are the legal owner of the car, for which you have proof. Any further contact will be regarded as harassment for which the appropriate legal action will be taken. If that doesn't stop them, try your local citizens advice, who will advise you free of charge (I'm sure Bromptonaut could help you here). Don't bother with the DVLA, I doubt if they're interested.

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Tue 13 Apr 2021 13:06
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Ceri Webb
Bathtub Tom,

I’ve now spoken with dvla they are aware of the situation it’s just a case of waiting to see if she disputes the v62 application at which point they will ring my partner for the proof we have of ownership.
Citizens advice have told me the information I have ie messages from the owner and the proof that he was the owner due to trying to sell it over fb and not saying selling for a friend is proof that it’s his vehicle.
They suggested I wait to find out what she does about the logbook and if she does dispute to go to a solicitor as what I have is enough to prove the deal was made between the vehicles and that we held our side by sorting logbook for the van.
Looks like either way they may be stuffed but it’s still a worry I hate being in limbo about things
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Tue 13 Apr 2021 09:46
Ford Mondeo - Car given as a gift no receipt but proof on txt - Bromptonaut

Superfluous post deleted.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 13/04/2021 at 09:47

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