Saw an early 70s Range Rover Classic 3dr which had had this engine oil treatment from new by its original owner, and to be fair it was mint underneath. wax can crack and trap moisture in with disastrous results if not done properly, or maybe that is just the competitor (Dinitrol etc) scaremongering
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Every year or two brush/wipe clean and paint your 'free' old engine oil liberally everywhere underneath that looks like rusting.
Used to be said in my youth that old engine oil would contain acid's from the combustion process which would accelerate corrosion. That is why you should use a proprietary wax for rust proofing.
I think that's probably only true if you stretch your OCI much further than most people do. The Total Base Number (especially on most diesel-rated oils) should keep the acid neutralised.
However, used oil does contain dioxins and other nasty combustion products, and might make your car less pleasant to work on, if you do that.
Given that oil is cheap, I've never felt that the economy benefit of used oil was worth the downside, and just used virgin motor oil, thinned a bit with diesel fuel to make it sprayable with a cheapo hand plant sprayer. A little goes a very long way and if you wash out your oil jug with diesel fuel it is still essentially free.
The main stated disadvantage of motor oil is that it washes off. I think this is exaggerated, but latterly I have used sunflower oil (which polymerises) as a tackifier, either as part of the sprayed mix, or applied separately.
I don't know how this compares with the commercial alternatives since they are nót available here in Taiwan.
I used Waxoyl in The Yook maybe 25 years or so ago, and didn't think much of it.
Edited by edlithgow on 27/02/2021 at 03:18
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I Dinitrolled a 12 year old VW Sharan underneath for a friend 4 years ago, (pit job)
Underbody p[aint had fallen off, surface rust.
Quick wire brush and spray (the Dinitrol designed for external use). Still looks OK - no rust breakthrough the coating..
Did the Yaris around the rear. It's now 18 years old.
Wash underneath down with hose: leave 24 hours to dry..(summer) and then spray. Only remove bubbling/peeling paint.
Do it every 3 years or so...
Do coil springs as well..
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I've always used Waxoyl but I modify it by thinning with white spirit (to help it flow better) and also adding some clean engine oil (to help it cling better). I use the cheapest engine oil from the supermarket.
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I've always used Waxoyl but I modify it by thinning with white spirit (to help it flow better) and also adding some clean engine oil (to help it cling better). I use the cheapest engine oil from the supermarket.
Using white spirt to thin Waxoyl is not modifying it, that is what the manufacturers use.
Putting oil in it is possibly not a good idea, if it made it better don't you think the manufacturers would do that?
But what proof have you got that it clings better, have you done several test panels and exposed them to severe conditions and compared them after certain time periods?
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I have been using ACF 50 for some time now. Designed to prevent corrosion on aircraft. I use it on motorcycles, cars and the bare metal of workshop machines.
Even bare steel hand tools that have been treated with it, stored and then wiped off and used, don't corrode afterwards if left lying about without being treated again.
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I haven't conducted any tests as you describe but what I have found is that I don't have to waxoyl the underneath of the car every year anymore, so the oil is having some benefit.
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I've always used Waxoyl but I modify it by thinning with white spirit (to help it flow better) and also adding some clean engine oil (to help it cling better). I use the cheapest engine oil from the supermarket.
Using white spirt to thin Waxoyl is not modifying it, that is what the manufacturers use.
Putting oil in it is possibly not a good idea, if it made it better don't you think the manufacturers would do that?
But what proof have you got that it clings better, have you done several test panels and exposed them to severe conditions and compared them after certain time periods?
Not sure of the logic here, but it seems to be along the lines of
"If anything was better than anything else, it would get copied, so everything would end up the same"
i.e. "Everything must be for the best, in the best of all possible worlds" (I know that one)
I wouldn't necessarily expect Waxoyl to mix very well with oil, but I havn't tried it, so I don't know.
When I tried Waxoyl alone, a long time ago, it was difficult to spray, didn't penetrate rust or creep very well, and it formed a skin which cracked, under which it seemed likely that rust would progress.
Oil, OTOH, soaks in to rust rather well, creeps along weld seams, and its film is to some extent self healing,
(It does, however, wash off exposed surfaces, vegetable oil less so).
I don't have comparative test data for my homemade and commercial rust treatments, which I should have, but OTOH I've never seen comparative test data from the commercial treatment suppliers either, who should be better placed and more motivated to provide it.
But I suppose if they are all the best, they don't need to?
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I've always used Waxoyl but I modify it by thinning with white spirit (to help it flow better) and also adding some clean engine oil (to help it cling better).
The usual purpose of oil is to prevent things 'clinging' ??
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I've always used Waxoyl but I modify it by thinning with white spirit (to help it flow better) and also adding some clean engine oil (to help it cling better).
The usual purpose of oil is to prevent things 'clinging' ??
Unless it is Magnatec oil which "clings" to the wearing surfaces - or so Castrol's advertising used to allege :-)
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I've always used Waxoyl but I modify it by thinning with white spirit (to help it flow better) and also adding some clean engine oil (to help it cling better).
The usual purpose of oil is to prevent things 'clinging' ??
Unless it is Magnatec oil which "clings" to the wearing surfaces - or so Castrol's advertising used to allege :-)
Go to a scrap yard and, (if they still let you in these sad HSE days) have a look at the top end of the engine in the car thats been there the longest (which might not be very long in these sad stock-controlled days).
Betcha it'll be oily, even if it wasn;t using Magnatec.
Oil clings to surfaces, even smooth ones.
Whether it'll help Waxoyl cling to surfaces I dunno and rather doubt, but if it can be made to dissolve it might.
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Caterhams are well known for terrible corrosion despite being mostly made of aluminium and glassfibre which makes most buyers think they do not rust. The chassis is powdercoated steel tubing and the alloy panels are rivited to this. So we have no protection in the drilled holes, different metals, no protection on the bare alloy and powdercoat that has a habit of falling off faster than the actual car goes, the rivets are alloy and steel, it could not be worse. CarSOS rebuilt one some time ago and it was a right shed.
When I got my chassis late in 1992 I waxoyled on all the hidden panels and tubes before I did another thing. Even if you pay ££££££'s for a factory paint job they only paint the outer panels, the underside etc are left bare metal. I made sure the waxoyl got right down into all the "grot" traps (there are plenty - its a 1950's design).
The car went on the road in early 1993 (28 years ago) and whilst its fair to say its seen very little salt but it has been used regularly in all weather conditions from March to late October.
Other than a bit of powder coat that has fallen off the nose cone fixing on the chassis (more waxoyl) its perfect, no corrosion. When you need to do any work I always clean off the old waxoyl and redo it before refitting parts, daft not to whilst you have access. Its like new alloy and powder coated tubes once its off.
Waxoly has proved its worth (I have used it on other older cars in the past as well) and all I have added is white spirit to make it spray. And I don't use the Waxoyl sprayer, its rubbish, I use a garden sprayer, much better.
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I believe aircraft with steel-tube fuselages (Tiger Moth, Auster, Hurricane, probably lots of other examples) use/used linseed oil inside the tubes.
www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=362679
They won't see much salt, but they get extremes of temperature with consequent condensation, and they aren't/weren't always hangered.
I've only used Waxoyl on one (already rusty) car. I was sufficiently unimpressed by its apparent lack of penetration into established rust not to bother with it again, and used oil instead.
On clean metal with good access (like when you are building a car) it might be a very different story. Its also possible they have improved the formulation in the quarter century or so since I used it.
I can't remember if I oil sprayed my previously Waxoyled car, but there seem no obvious reason why you cant do both, with possible synergistic benefit if the oil creeps under the Waxoyl. If it lifts it perhaps it wasn't very well stuck in the first place.
Academic for me at the moment since Waxoyl is not available here, nor, AFAIK, are any other commercial rust inhibitors.
So its Improvise or Rust
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I gave up on the official sprayer as well, I'm glad it's not just me who found it poor. I also use a garden sprayer (pressurised) although for small areas where access is good, I often use a small hand-held sprayer. They don't seem to last long, I think something in the waxoyl damages the seal but at a couple of pounds each, nothing to lose sleep over.
The Caterham sounds rather similar to the old Series Landrovers. They can be immaculate on the aluminium panels but rotten as an old pear underneath in the chassis and bulkhead.
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The Caterham sounds rather similar to the old Series Landrovers. They can be immaculate on the aluminium panels but rotten as an old pear underneath in the chassis and bulkhead.
Believe me, just like Land Rovers Caterhams can be very bad on the outside panels as well as the tubes and inner panels. Along the bottom of the sides the alloy turns to dust. Rogue traders simply add filler, paint and sell at top price only for the buyers to find they have bought death on wheels later.
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Well, I could mirror your mantra right back at you, with something like
“Don’t you think if Waxoyl (or Fluid Film which seems to be the US equivalent) was superior to linseed oil, aircraft manufacturers would use it?”
But in fact there might be legit reasons for that. FF might be heavier, and given the scale of investment and the risks (particularly product liability, a big deal in the light aircraft industry) a conservative approach would be expected, and might even be FAA mandated.
A conservative approach might be expected for cars too, which are often a significant investment (money, time, emotion) and status or phallic symbols for owners.
Sometimes it goes beyond that though. Here's an example. An angle iron traffic barrier. Doesn’t have to be pretty and quite likely to be damaged. Perfect for beer can and sunflower oil treatment.
bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/painting-a-steel...7
The favored solution? Sprayed epoxy. Absolutely NUTS
But consumers got to consume. It’s The American Way
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