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Which would you buy - Rob Lindfield
Hi all, I’m new to the forum but have been struggling for a while with a decision on a used car. I’m looking for an executive saloon, low mileage, 5 series size or equivalent for around the £17k mark.
I’m struggling with reconciling the differences between the 520d SE, E220d SE + or the A6.

I’m looking for good practicality, good performance, good consumption, and a good spec but given these cars aren’t the newest of specs I’m finding it hard to decide which model is the better and in what spec.

Was hoping those of you who have one or more of these could point me in the right direction and also if there’s any optional extras you would look out for.
Thanks everyone, I appreciate your help.
Which would you buy - concrete

You would get an awful lot of executive saloon Skoda Superb for that money. As with most cars these days it appears that the choice of engine and gearbox are important for a relatively trouble free life. The VAG autos can be troublesome if you pick the wrong type, but if you get the choice right they should be cheaper to run then the BM. Merc or Audi but just as good to drive and own. Also consider a Volvo while you still can buy a petrol or diesel model.

Good luck

Cheers Concrete

Which would you buy - movilogo

These questions are hard to answer as there are so many variables. Have you driven all of them? Do you like anyone in particular. Then go for that one. Sometimes you may discover pet hates with one of the cars which immediately makes other ones winners.

Do you have a dealer/mechanic nearby. That may influence the choice.

RWDs can be handful in snow (without right tyres).

Which would you buy - pd

All decent cars. My personal choice would probably be the BMW.

I'd also be tempted to throw the Volvo S90 into the mix.

Which would you buy - Rob Lindfield
Thanks for the information. I’ve considered a Superb saloon definitely. I really like them so much so that we already have the estate version. Had we not had that I would definitely go for one. But I feel two Superbs in one household might be a bit much.

Not convinced about the Volvo to be honest. I’ve driven one and I wasn’t as blown away as I was with the others.

All good points though, thanks.
Which would you buy - edlithgow
Thanks for the information. I’ve considered a Superb saloon definitely. I really like them so much so that we already have the estate version. Had we not had that I would definitely go for one. But I feel two Superbs in one household might be a bit much.

A bit much...too sensible?

Which would you buy - edlithgow
Thanks for the information. I’ve considered a Superb saloon definitely. I really like them so much so that we already have the estate version. Had we not had that I would definitely go for one. But I feel two Superbs in one household might be a bit much.

A bit much...too sensible?

I line with that diagnosis, Dr Ed says

Its Time For Your Alfa Romeo

Nurse,

The Screens

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkL3l4bT5OU

You'd find it difficult to spend that much on one of them though.

MIGHT be achievable with a Brera.

Which would you buy - badbusdriver

You say you want practicality but you are looking at saloons, inherently less practical than a hatchback or estate of a similar size. Surely if practicality is a priority, you should be looking at a hatchback or estate?.

But you already have a huge and capacious Superb, which makes me wonder if you do actually need a big saloon as well as a big estate?. So, as you already have a big estate, maybe something a bit less practical (dare I say, a bit more sexy!), like a coupe?.

Which would you buy - John F

Out of the three makes on offer, I would choose Audi. I have done so for nearly thirty years. Three of my reasons - with a large engine over the driven wheels they were much better in snow (I frequented country roads and unsalted side streets), the bodywork (galvanised) was better (I keep my cars for a long time) and they were far better value for money than the equivalent and arguably more fashionable Mercedes and BMWs. Not having bought a car for myself for nearly seven years I don't know if the VFM reason still holds.

Which would you buy - Rob Lindfield
Ha! I’d love to get a coupe but with two small kids, four doors makes sense for car seats, hence the saloon.
Which would you buy - chris87
You can get an almost brand new Mazda 6 for that money. It will have more kit than any of the cars you mentioned + £10k worth of options.
Which would you buy - mcb100
From your options, it’s the 5 Series for me. A car of that size, for me, has to be RWD (ruling out the Audi), and from the remaining two the BMW is the better driver’s car.
Which would you buy - Rob Lindfield
Thanks to everyone for their feedback. It’s really useful, looks like I’ve got some more thinking to do!
Which would you buy - Engineer Andy

You really also need to consider the running costs - not just fuel, as for 'premium' (read expensive to buy and luxury/fast) brands, they come with a very expensive way of keeping them in good nick if you maintain them via a main dealership.

Don't forget that a Skoda is essentially a cheap Audi. Skips on wheels they are not. As others have said, other brands can offer decent performance, handling, kit, etc for either much less for a car of the same age, or a much newer one - possibly still under warranty - for the same money.

Note also that those premium makes will cost more to insure and often come with very expensive consumables - BMWs, for example, often come shod on runflat tyres which not only give a harsher ride (never mind the big wheels and wide low profile tyres anyway) but cost an absolute fortune to replace, and are rarely repairable either, especially when run after a flat is detected.

Low profile tyres are also far more susceptible to irrepairable damage and blowouts than more sensible tyre profiles around the 50 mark and higher.

A former colleague did a similar thing as you, buying a second hand Jag but then scrimped on the tyres after seeing how much a replacement set cost using a middle-range or better make. He bought ditchfinders as his next replacement set to save money, which means the grip in the wet is poor.

Work out what you can affor across the anticipated ownership period, allowing for all costs, including allowances for replacement parts (look them up on owners' forums when when things are likely to be needed and the cost), general servicing, insurance, tyres (including allow wheel damage repair.replacement from kerbing/potholes) tax and fuel.

Bear in mind that cars originally sold before March 2017 will have different VED rates to afterwards, and so higher performing exec cars may come with a VED penalty, especially those originally costing over £40k.

When you've made a list of the specific cars (not engines), then start doing test drives, as this can make a HUGE difference as to your opinion about them, including what trim/engine spec you feel is a good fit. You may be surprised as to what is worth it and what isn't. Unfortunately, the pandemic has meant getting test drives is harder and may not be free everywhere.

DON'T rush your decision. This will be the second biggest purchase you'll make, other than a home.

Which would you buy - Rob Lindfield
Wow! Thanks Andy. That’s fantastic advice.
Which would you buy - SLO76
Prepared a long answer to this but as happens all too often on this site the damn thing deleted it as I was three quarters of the way through and I can’t be bothered writing it again. Sorry.

I’ll simplify it. Shortlist the cars based on the availability of a genuine nearby specialist as main dealers are robbing gits, next buy on condition and history and remember that most of these will have initially have been rented or taken in PCP, many are then neglected and/or clocked so you must have a full printed copy of the service history and be careful to check the car thoroughly for signs that it’s done more miles than it’s recorded. Mot history checks combined with service history corroboration can catch out clocking on older cars but it’s easier to hide it in the first three years. You’ll usually find there’s no service record or there’s a strangely low mileage covered in the final year. I’m increasingly finding that 3-4yr old ex PCP and lease stock is of a poor standard and often lack any service history and show signs of clocking. Even approved used don’t escape it, Our local Honda dealer had a yard full of questionable stock on our last visit.

But if all things were equal and the cars checked out plus a good local specialist was available I’d favour the BMW, but the 4cyl diesels are less durable than the 6cyl cars. Don’t buy a diesel if you do mostly local running however.
Which would you buy - Metropolis.

Toyota Camry? Try one before laughing!

Which would you buy - Avant

Reading between the lines, I think you want something a bit different from the Superb estate, and fun to drive, but you still need to get the kids into the back of both cars. It must be worth considering something a little smaller than the ones you've listed.

So think about:

4-door BMW 3-series (smaller and cheaper than a 5)

5-door VW Golf GTI

Audi Q2 (which is what i have now)

Skoda Octavia vRS (I had three of these in a row: more room than the above but the petrol manual is great to drive)

Mazda 6 petrol

Jaguar XE (should be a bit cheaper than the German prestige brands but the image is good)

I don't know what your annual mileage is, but go for a diesel only if it's high.

Andy is of course right - make sure you get a good test drive of all on your shortlist.

Which would you buy - veloceman
You could look at the Audi A5 Fastback 5dr.
You get a proper hatch unlike the 3 dr which just has a saloon type boot.
2.0 Tsi will give decent performance but prob go for the manual.
Which would you buy - barney100

Can only offer the 220 e class AMG line as I bought one about 6 months ago..cabriolet. It's good to drive though no fireworks performance, very comfortable, had a problem with the footbrake not releasing properly, it's had the pedal mechanism replaced under warranty and is fine now. It's a car you could cruise in all day, I suppose if you want performance the BMWs would be more suitable.

Which would you buy - daveyjp

Don't discount the BMW GT cars, you may get more for your money.

The 3 series GT is built on a longer chassis to the 3 series so has more rear legroom and has the bonus of being a hatchback.

I tried one a few years ago, but it had too many shortcomings for me.

However as others have said a premium car will have premium running costs and once you get to 5-6 years old you have to be prepared to spend on it.

Edited by daveyjp on 17/02/2021 at 10:24

Which would you buy - pd

I'm not sure things like tyres are really an extra cost. There are plenty of 8 year old Astras out there with 19" or larger wheels so the trend towards larger wheels is not unique to some manufacturers.

Most models of the Mazda 6 also mentioned have 19" wheels as well.

What does tend to make these cars is spec. The 520 and E220 models tend not to have many options fitted by the first owner for some reason and a few nice extras can make a big difference. The audio systems as standard are not great on either the BMW or Mercedes for example (although better than the joke systems BMW used to fit to 5-Series). So look carefully at what options any examples you look at have.

As for long term maintenance yes, after 5 or 6 years you will probably want to move away from the main dealer so a good alternative is important.

Which would you buy - skidpan

Thanks for the information. I’ve considered a Superb saloon definitely. I really like them so much so that we already have the estate version. Had we not had that I would definitely go for one. But I feel two Superbs in one household might be a bit much.

Why would it be a bit much? If you like the estate get the hatch, its a bit different.

For your £17000 budget you would get a much newer car that any of the others you are considering. As an example we PX'd our first Superb in October last year. 1.4 TSi SE manual, just over 3 1/2 years old, low miles. Went on the forecourt for £13k and sold within days. For £17k you would get a newer or higher spec version.

Our first SE had 17" 55 profiles tyres and the ride was great. When we bought the second it looked like we would be getting a SE-L with 45 profile 18" tyres (did not really want those) but by sheer luck we were offered a cancelled SE Tech which uses 55 profile 17" tyres again and the car cost us quite a bit less, several thousand. Very happy.

We had a BMW and liked it, kept it 5 1/2 years and the only issues were a battery (warranty) and a spring (had a pair). Servicing was cheap compared to Fords and Kia (we had those at the time) and with the 50 profile run flats the ride was actually OK in a sporting manner (better than the Kia on 45 profile non-runflats). We considered a 320i touring when we bought the Superb last year but the 3 dealers we visited either did not wish to speak to us or in the case of the third did not have the car we had booked for a test drive when we arrived despite ringing us to confirm the previous afternoon, truth they denied ever having such a car. Later that afternoon they rang to say they had just had one come in and would we like to come back, NO was our answer. Bought the Superb a couple of days later.

If you have a good relationship with the Skoda dealer its a bonus, wife has a Fabia so we have both eggs in one basket.