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Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - Bigsmoke

Hi,

Just looking some advice I own a 2016 Vauxhall Astra VXR, and I've got a issued with my passenger seat it's reclined and won't go back up, these cars have Recaro performance seats which are a nightmare to fix most common is handles break at the back but this isn't my issue.

I had a local garage look at it and once they opened the lever side of the seat they said that's over their head needs to go to Vauxhall so it's booked in for next Wednesday, I've owned the car for two years and it's out of warranty but I do pay big money for a extended warranty which does state won't cover interior or upholstery.

So looking online and doing my homework if anything goes wrong with these seats Vauxhall (can't be bothered repairing) and just offer a new seat at anywhere between £1400-£2000! So I'm looking advice here, the car has 18000 miles, 4 years old, seats are immaculate! I don't have kids so it's not like they are in and out of the back!

If they turn round and say you need a £2k seat would you take that? or would I at least have a case that a premium racing seat isn't fit for purpose with 18k on the clock? I'm hoping some sort of goodwill through dealership/warranty etc I know my warranty doesn't cover it as it's classed as interior trim but it's more mechanical to me.

Just a what would you do question? I'm trying to prepare myself as best as possible.

Thanks

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - mcb100

I think I'd be finding a specialist automotive trimmer/upholsterer who takes seats apart every day.

If it's a cable, that's easy enough to make up. If it's a plastic component, someone with a 3D printer may be your best friend for not a lot of money.

This is assuming it's not repaired under warranty, obviously.

Edited by mcb100 on 12/02/2021 at 08:19

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - nellyjak

Heck...that's an interesting one....be even more interesting to see how it all works out for you.

To me, and I'm NO expert on these matters, I would see that as a pretty dangerous and unacceptable mechanical failure tbh that ought at be fixed at little or no cost to you...particularly given the age and useage you mention.

Hopefully there is no sign of anyone else having "had a look at it".?..that would be a potential "get out" I suspect..but maybe I'm just cynical and naive.

Anyway, I'm sure peeps here will be able to advise more and I hope that you get a good result.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - Maxime.

None on ebay, try the find a part search for breakers.

ask capital seating leicester recaro importers

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - Maxime.

www.recaro-automotive.com/en/services/recaro-store...5

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - skidpan

or would I at least have a case that a premium racing seat isn't fit for purpose with 18k on the clock?

Don't kid yourself that they are "premium racing seats". They are very nice seats (had them in a Mk 2 Escort in the early 80's) but what we get in road cars are simply posh seats with excellent support carrying the Recaro branding, most are not even made by Recaro, its just a badge.

Are they worth what they charge for them, definitely not.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - glidermania

Hi,

Just looking some advice I own a 2016 Vauxhall Astra VXR, and I've got a issued with my passenger seat it's reclined and won't go back up, these cars have Recaro performance seats which are a nightmare to fix most common is handles break at the back but this isn't my issue.

I had a local garage look at it and once they opened the lever side of the seat they said that's over their head needs to go to Vauxhall so it's booked in for next Wednesday, I've owned the car for two years and it's out of warranty but I do pay big money for a extended warranty which does state won't cover interior or upholstery.

So looking online and doing my homework if anything goes wrong with these seats Vauxhall (can't be bothered repairing) and just offer a new seat at anywhere between £1400-£2000! So I'm looking advice here, the car has 18000 miles, 4 years old, seats are immaculate! I don't have kids so it's not like they are in and out of the back!

If they turn round and say you need a £2k seat would you take that? or would I at least have a case that a premium racing seat isn't fit for purpose with 18k on the clock? I'm hoping some sort of goodwill through dealership/warranty etc I know my warranty doesn't cover it as it's classed as interior trim but it's more mechanical to me.

Just a what would you do question? I'm trying to prepare myself as best as possible.

Thanks

At 2016 MY, it will be out of manufacturer's warranty so no onus on the dealer to fix for free. Has the car been regularly serviced by a franchise dealer? If so, you might be able to play on this and ask if the dealer and or Vauxhall would make a goodwill payment if you are looking a £1400-2000.

Otherwise, not sure who'd be able to fix a car seat, one of those reclining sofa repairers?

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - Chris M

Google "Automotive Upholsterers" for your area.

As a minimum they'll know how to dismantle the seat to locate the problem and hopefully know if it's fixable.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - S40 Man

It will need up the visual as appearance but can you buy just get a big standard seat fun a breaker. Presumably it won't matter if the passenger moves around a bit. Might be only £50 for passenger seat.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - skidpan

It will need up the visual as appearance but can you buy just get a big standard seat fun a breaker. Presumably it won't matter if the passenger moves around a bit. Might be only £50 for passenger seat.

Other than starting off with gibberish I think I get the gist.

Main 3 issues I see are

why would anyone want to fit an odd seat (an inferior one) in a 5 year old car. Perhaps a 20 year old banger worth pence. This would devalue the car substantially.

2nd is airbag compatibility

3rd is insurance issues, its a modification.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - Lee Power

If Vauxhall can't repair it the options are:

A) Find an identical seat at a breakers / Ebay & swop it out. Might struggle to get just 1 seat - most sellers would want to sell the interior seats as a set.

B) Find an automotive upholstery / trim specialist & ask them to take a look - you may have to either take the complete car OR just the faulty seat.

If it was me - option B would be my choice.

I've had various automotive seats apart over the years & there not nice to work on, lots of small metal clips, sharp edges & plenty of swearing when you have your hands inside the frames.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - S40 Man

It will mess up the visual as appearance but can you buy just get a big standard seat from a breaker. Presumably it won't matter if the passenger moves around a bit. Might be only £50 for passenger seat.

Other than starting off with gibberish I think I get the gist.

Main 3 issues I see are

why would anyone want to fit an odd seat (an inferior one) in a 5 year old car. Perhaps a 20 year old banger worth pence. This would devalue the car substantially.

2nd is airbag compatibility

3rd is insurance issues, its a modification.

Devaluation is only a concern if you plan to sell the car, and would this devaluation be more or less than the £1400-2000 the OP mentioned? If he keeps it another 5 years it might be approaching banger status.

A proper VX seat should work fine with airbags.

Would insurers be bothered by a less sporty passenger seat? A more sporty drivers seat yes, possibly not the other way round.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - S40 Man

It will mess up the visual as appearance but can you buy just get a big standard seat from a breaker. Presumably it won't matter if the passenger moves around a bit. Might be only £50 for passenger seat.

Other than starting off with gibberish I think I get the gist.

Main 3 issues I see are

why would anyone want to fit an odd seat (an inferior one) in a 5 year old car. Perhaps a 20 year old banger worth pence. This would devalue the car substantially.

2nd is airbag compatibility

3rd is insurance issues, its a modification.

Devaluation is only a concern if you plan to sell the car, and would this devaluation be more or less than the £1400-2000 the OP mentioned? If he keeps it another 5 years it might be approaching banger status.

A proper VX seat should work fine with airbags.

Would insurers be bothered by a less sporty passenger seat? A more sporty drivers seat yes, possibly not the other way round.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - Andrew-T

From the description, the seat has suffered a (probably simple) mechanism failure. A trim specialist should identify the fault and advise whether the failed part can be replaced. And I agree with Skidpan that while a different seat will make the car roadsafe, it will be a botch job.

As for 3D printers, I doubt that one could create a part able to stand the stresses some passengers put on their seats. Any comment ?

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - mcb100

'As for 3D printers, I doubt that one could create a part able to stand the stresses some passengers put on their seats. Any comment ?'

If it's a plastic component that has failed, then I don't see a problem in replacing it with a 3D printed plastic replacement for a part unavailable 'off the shelf'.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - skidpan

As for 3D printers, I doubt that one could create a part able to stand the stresses some passengers put on their seats. Any comment ?

If it's a plastic component that has failed, then I don't see a problem in replacing it with a 3D printed plastic replacement for a part unavailable 'off the shelf'.

Some years ago 3 of us from work were sent to uni to do a 3D rapid prototyping course with a view to offering a full service to local industry. To cut a long story short after the training (which cost a fortune) and leasing all the kit (not DIY stuff like you get these days) none of us were allowed to do the work as part of our existing duties, they expected us to do it for free outside hours. Nothing was ever done.

But the parts that the printing process made were only intended as prototypes prior to manufacturing. The resin was not intended to be used in the final parts, you needed proper material that is up to the job for that. In a seat the last thing you want is for a part to break at a bad time.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - mcb100

I think the key phrase was 'some years ago'. I'm no expert, but a quick look online suggests that high strengths items can be printed from Nylon and carbon fibre.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - skidpan

I think the key phrase was 'some years ago'. I'm no expert, but a quick look online suggests that high strengths items can be printed from Nylon and carbon fibre.

I thing the key word in your first post was "plastic". Parts inside seats that are critical to safety would be unlikely to be made of plastic, in an accident such a part would probably fail especially if its home made regardless of the material used in the printing process. Seats undergo strict testing, no DIY printed product would.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - catsdad

Our old Corsa suffered seat failure when the wire frame in the seat back broke. While not dangerous it made the seat very uncomfortable, putting my spine into contact with the hard frame. I doubt the wire frame was subject to much testing given how weak it was. The wire used was similar to coat hangers. VX dealers had the frame on next day delivery which speaks volumes about how often they failed.

My previous indie wouldn’t look into it as it wasn’t an oily bit. You Tube and skinned knuckles solved it.

While Recaro should be of a considerably better quality hopefully it will be a known issue and repairable.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - Bigsmoke

Update:

Vauxhall.want it in again to strip and repair and are trying to see if they will cover it under extended warranty, however being the idiots they are they left the jobs sheet in the car showing both front seats where repaired before at 8,000 odd miles ??

Clearly not fit for purpose and their last repair job hasn't lasted the next 10,000 miles.mot sure where to go next will wait and see if they try and charge for repair.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - Andrew-T

I think the key phrase was 'some years ago'. I'm no expert, but a quick look online suggests that high strengths items can be printed from Nylon and carbon fibre.

That sounds to me like the stuff vaulting poles are made from. I think car seat mechanisms need to be rather more rigid.

Vauxhall Astra GTC - Dealership Help - mcb100

You mean like Formula 1 car type rigid? They use carbon extensively on chassis and suspension components.