The buck stops with Ministers. That's why the honourable ones like Amber Rudd resign.

Not many of them though is there.

But maybe less politics in the thread as we've all seen where that descends.

My local area has seen just under 20,000 recorded infections since September 1st - about one case for every 15 people. The DVLA figure of 535 in 6,000 is one in 11, so not wildly dissimilar.

The buck stops with Ministers. That's why the honourable ones like Amber Rudd resign.

Mr Shapps is no more responsible for the day to day management of the DVLA building and its staff in Swansea than Ben Wallace (Secretary of State for Defence) is for running "Main Building" in Whitehall or Matt Hancock is for managing your local hospital. Ms Rudd resigned because of a political disagreement with the Prime Minister following which she felt she could no longer serve under him. Somewhat different.

Edited by Middleman on 24/01/2021 at 14:45

What exactly do you hope to achieve here other than to stir up more trouble by deliberately polarising things yet more? You don't see me starting a debate about Labour's antisemitism, etc, etc.

You're a member at the Guardian - why not discuss the matter there with fellow travellers of the Left? Given that I've never seen you concede you were wrong on a political issue, I really don't see the point of you talking about it other than to further divide people here.

I posted it because it's relevant to motoring and comments others have made about problems getting stuff processed by DVLA where it's not, like VED, all on line.

The buck stops with Ministers. That's why the honourable ones like Amber Rudd resign.

'The buck stops with ministers' Why then bother with upper and middle ranked civil servants then? Why not just give the minister full control and they tell the people on the ground what to do in every aspect of their job. It would certainly save on wages.

I wonder why you mentioned Rudd? Could it because she was a rabid remoaner who then said she wouldn't be a Tory any more because of that? You always have an angle, don't you?

PS. I see that, despite my earlier plea to stop turning this forum into politic+motoring that you've mirrored this topic from the C4P website forum. Can't you think of anything else to constructively do with your time than stir up a hornet's nest so one half of the backroomers want to leave the site?

Just give it a rest. Jeez.

500 people at the DVLA have been reported to have Covid. With people coming and going from home to the workplace and socialising when allowed, who is to say that the virus was transmitted to them while at work. The DVLA are reported to have taken measures like all employers to keep working. Precautions practiced by some outside the workplace are not good as being reported daily in the media.