Probably a throw back to the early systems which were very basic. If you started aquaplaning the cruise would continue to add power to maintain set speed.
Modern cars are far more sophisticated with adapative cruise, traction control, differential braking etc so it is probably no longer an issue.
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I think with modern cruise control,if the traction control or stability control, eg are activated, it automatically cancels the cruise system..
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I’m with mcb100 and use adaptive cruise the majority of the time.
Set to 31 when travelling through the villages round here. Used through average speed sections and regularly on most vaguely straight roads. Wouldn’t contemplate a car without CC now.
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Adaptive cruise has to "see" the vehicle it's following. How well it can "see" depends on what sensors it has - and how transparent the atmosphere is between the sensor and the target vehicle. If the sensor loses "sight" of the car in front, things could get unpleasant unless the driver intervenes.
I have conventional cruise, which I find helpful. There is also automatic braking using a forward-facing camera (which also detects lane changes). In heavy rain or snow the system complains that it can't see, and then it's up to the driver.
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Adaptive cruise is fantastic, with very few shortfalls. If the car that your car has 'locked on to' disappears, changes lane, for example, you will experience a momentary burst of acceleration until it sees the next car in line. Unless you're driving a Ferrari at peak torque, that's not an issue.
The more intuitive versions will disable as the driver indicates to overtake, so the acceleration starts before pulling out one lane to the right. Otherwise, you move out, the car realises there's nothing in front, then it starts to accelerate. Sometime that can take a second or two.
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Totally agree. We have 2 cars, one with adaptive and one with normal cruise control. I use the adaptive one almost the entire time except for when on winding country lanes. It makes driving in any form of traffic so much less stressful - just set it to the max speed limit, and then let the car handle the ebbs and flows of the traffic. Like you, I just have to remind myself when using the car with the normal cruise control that it doesn't work that way - but it still gets used most of the time when out of town. I wouldn't even consider buying a car if it didn't have cruise control, and I would definitely pay more for the adaptive version.
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You can see why driving standards are dropping in all forms of transport, is anyone actually in control of the vehicle or its trajectory speed distance positioning for the conditions any more.
If some on baord computer is simply following the car in front, and the car at the head of a convoy is driven by an idiot at a totally wrong speed for the conditions, that presumably means every vehicle following its leader is doing the same.
Yes i make use of normal cruise every day, travel up to 1000 miles a week on cruise, i don't have adaptive cruise and don't want it, i'll be in charge of travelling/braking distance thanks, its bad enough the oversensitive AEBS doing its thing for no reason every now and again, nor do i want the vehicle affecting the steering for me, ever, i'm solely in control of the thing and that suits me fine...if it goes wrong i'm to blame just like those who leave it to the electronics.
Obviously i wouldn't use cruise in slippery conditions (wet normal roads are not what i call slippery), in really slippery conditions i'll be at heightened senses making as much as i can from how the vehicle is behaving regarding the road surface, much of the input for road feel coming via feet through the throttle pedal.
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In a previous life, I used to dispatch AA patrols to breakdowns. One day, we got the police on the phone saying one of the guys had been killed whilst working on the hard shoulder. A non-attentive HGV driver had veered across the white line and struck him. With lane keep technology, he may well still be here.
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You can see why driving standards are dropping in all forms of transport, is anyone actually in control of the vehicle or its trajectory speed distance positioning for the conditions any more.
Having read the posts above, I am imagining a scenario where a car somewhere ahead panic-brakes suddenly while your adaptive C-C has lost contact with the car in front. What does it do ? I presume the reaction time of C-C is at least as good as a human's - or is it ?
Can't help thinking that habitual use of C-C would lead to half-awake drivers, and perhaps encourage them to use their phones more. As some above have said, they wouldn't consider any other car. I suppose if one's profession means several hours every day in a driving seat, that's understandable.
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There is a handover between adaptive cruise and Autonomous Emergency Braking. That will function when cruise isn't engaged, and at least mitigate any impact.
In reality, and I can only speak for myself, electronics don't make me any less attentive at the wheel, and muscle memory inevitably means that the number one reaction if things are going wrong is to jump on the brake pedal.
Fail safes are in place - if lane departure doesn't sense anyone holding the wheel, it will disable. It's not autonomous driving, it's an aid. Nissan ProPilot, commonplace across the range, will sound a claxon if it hasn't received any input into the steering, progressively louder, then it will give the brakes a couple of presses to wake up a driver, and if it still doesn't get a reply it will assume the driver is asleep (or worse) and bring the car to a stop in lane. The next phase, in development, will steer the car to the left and bring it to a halt.
It's a common statement that driving standards are slipping, but the number of fatalities, serious and minor injuries are way down on where they have previously been.
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Edited by mcb100 on 14/10/2020 at 10:12
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It's a common statement that driving standards are slipping, but the number of fatalities, serious and minor injuries are way down on where they have previously been.
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The reductions in road casualties have come from improvement in car safety features and road safety features - NOT driving standards.
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Is there any quantifiable evidence in the perceived decline in driving standards?
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Is there any quantifiable evidence in the perceived decline in driving standards?
I don't think there's been a decline in driving standards since the early 1970's, when I started driving. There have always been habitual bad drivers and there have always been good drivers who sometimes make bad mistakes.
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The next phase, in development, will steer the car to the left and bring it to a halt.
Obviously cars intended for Europe will be LHD and will steer to the right. What should a British driver do when he takes his car abroad ? Can the electronics be reversed - or are they clever enough to realise the car is correctly on the other side of the road ?
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That I don't know - it's still in the hands of the technical types at Nissan in Cranfield. But I'm sure they'll have thought of it.
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I remember reading somewhere that it is illegal to use cruise control in rainy conditions in Belgium. Not sure how they could ever prove that, but still. And the definition of "rainy" is always open to debate - except in France, where if it's rainy you drop your speed by 20 km/h every time. If Monsieur le flic says it was raining it was raining and it's an on the spot fine, and you are frog marched (excuse the pun!) to a cash machine if necessary.
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I remember reading somewhere that it is illegal to use cruise control in rainy conditions in Belgium. Not sure how they could ever prove that, but still. And the definition of "rainy" is always open to debate - except in France, where if it's rainy you drop your speed by 20 km/h every time. If Monsieur le flic says it was raining it was raining and it's an on the spot fine, and you are frog marched (excuse the pun!) to a cash machine if necessary.
I think its illegal in Belgium full stop but I may be wrong.
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