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Thu 25 Jun 2020 15:08

any - Bogusly obtained licences. - SteveLee

abc13.com/nearly-1-3-of-pakistani-pilots-have-fake.../

The staggering revelation that in Pakistan nearly a third of commercial pilots never actually passed their tests – when are we going to have a similar conversation in the UK about similar abuses with driving licences amongst certain “communities”? Anyone involved in testing or licensing in the UK knows this is happening on a huge scale – but just like in other well-trodden examples – authorities are too afraid to tackle it. People are undoubtedly dying because of this but as usual political correctness comes ahead of human life.

Edited by SteveLee on 25/06/2020 at 15:09

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Thu 25 Jun 2020 15:13

any - Bogusly obtained licences. - FP

"Anyone involved in testing or licensing in the UK knows this is happening on a huge scale – but just like in other well-trodden examples – authorities are too afraid to tackle it."

Could we please have a reliable source for this? (A. that driving licences are being held illegally on a huge scale; B. that the authorities are afraid to deal with it and C. which communities we are talking about.)

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Thu 25 Jun 2020 16:13

any - Bogusly obtained licences. - Bromptonaut

As FP said let's have some evidence on all three counts.

The content of the ABC report on Pakistan's issue with licensing of pilots is noted. Whilst they've had a recent crash and wouldn't be my first choice for international travel Pakistan International fly to the UK/EU so I suspect they're OK as far as it goes.

Flying a modern airliner is highly skilled, unlike driving you don't get the opportunity to watch your parents do it then copy. I think the issue is to do with people who can do the job but use irregularly obtained type ratings or similar.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 25/06/2020 at 16:19

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Thu 25 Jun 2020 16:32

any - Bogusly obtained licences. - Jamie3141

Agreed. As far as I know, and from what various driving instructors (and examiners) have told me, the DVLA has done quite a good job of developing a system which inherently prevents candidates' exploitation via nepotism.

Bribing for a license is almost impossible. Centres immediately 'stick out' if they have a pass rate which is somewhere far from the mean. This would be fairly easy to debunk by finding a test centre which predominantly services said "community" and then looking at its pass rate. Of course, we can't do that until we know which "community" this is. Once a test centre is seen with a high pass rate, they're then inspected, AFAIK. If this was happening anywhere, The Sun would be all over it and it'd be common knowledge.

I stand to be corrected though.

Edited by Jamie3141 on 25/06/2020 at 16:38

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Thu 25 Jun 2020 16:48

any - Bogusly obtained licences. - Bromptonaut

There's a more nuanced/detailed report on Pakistan here:

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/wires/afp/article-8459539/Pakistan-airline-grounds-150-pilots-licence-probe-official.html

Reference is to bogus or suspicious licences. It doesn't say they'd 'never passed their tests'. It will be interesting to hear, though I doubt it will make Western media, how many of those suspended are re-instated after investigation.

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Thu 25 Jun 2020 17:12

any - Bogusly obtained licences. - _

Youngrovergirl is from the middle east..

She passed her driving test at 18 in Baghdad, then when she did her training in Amman, she had to take another driving test.. then when she got a job in Abu Dhabi she had to take another test.

When we got married she came to the uk and took driving lessons with someone recommended until he was confident she would pass.

Her ID was all checked thoroughly before the theory test. Passed, and when told the about some of her decisions she said that wasn't how she drove in real life.

When she took the Practical test, all documentation was checked again and the examiner said during the test that she appeared to be more experienced? Odd remark, but she said it was her 4th driving test and when she finished was told she had passed, but why did she leave a roundabout at a turning earlier she pointed out that the exit to a retail park was the first exit, he laughed and said most people don't count it!

DVLA are very severe on ID nowadays and have been for a long time.

Qualifying as a Doctor here, ID was scrutinised for the Language tests GMC exams and none of her previous diplomas were taken at face value and everything was checked and verified.

No complaints from me.

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Thu 25 Jun 2020 19:05

any - Bogusly obtained licences. - Bilboman

Any word on what will happen to reciprocal licence swaps post-Brexit? To be honest I always thought it was quite a nice gesture but a bit odd that as a British (then EU) resident in Spain I was allowed to do a straightforward swap for a Spanish licence without needing a test, or my level of Spanish ever being queried. Spain has treaties with (left-driving) Japan as well as Cyprus, Malta and Ireland, but not with (right-driving) Gibraltar, although a Gibraltarian can move to the UK and swap to a British driving licence.
The problem of bogus licences is never going to be eradicated whilst there is no legal obligation for a driver in the UK to actually carry a driving licence whilst at the wheel, which must be a unique situation in the world.

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