"would ‘this form any sort of claim against the fine ?"

I doubt it very much.

And as you seem to accept you were speeding ("I was going faster than I thought 39 in a 30 zone"), wouldn't the moral thing be to pay up or accept the course, if offered?

Edited by FP on 09/06/2020 at 16:48

The brown envelope arrived today. I was going faster than I thought 39 in a 30 zone.

The van is parked on a lay by next to a farm shop whose owner complains that the van blocks the view of visitors leaving the site.

would ‘this form any sort of claim against the fine ?

Thanks

Simply put No.

You have committed an absolute offence and have been caught

Your only get out if the 30 mph limit was not clearly signed. As mentioned previously were the 30mph signs obscured. could you have approached the van without passing a 30 mph sign visible on both sides of the road. If signage not correct were there street lights.

Most plod would check all this and only set up speed trap if all signage was in order on the day.

At 39 you are within range to get a speed awareness course, if offered.

would ‘this form any sort of claim against the fine ?

How could it ? Did it affect your speeding ? No - I thought not.

would ‘this form any sort of claim against the fine ?

No. It's quite often necessary for law enforcement to stop where parking is prohibited and such 'parking' is an exclusion in the relevant TRO.

Best you can hope for is the offer of a course.

You'll almost certainly be offered a course if you haven't already had one in the last 3 years and if coronavirus hasn't stopped the courses being held.

For the speed awareness course, the speed of the offence must fall within the criteria stated below:

• 30 mph up to and including 42 mph.
• 40 mph up to and including 53 mph.
• 50 mph up to and including 64 mph.
• 60 mph up to and including 75 mph.
• 70 mph up to and including 86 mph.

You have my sympathy. I was in a similar position to you but my 14 days are up today and as yet not received a brown envelope.

I would be absolutely amazed if every driver on the roads today had not exceeded a 30 limit at some point. There is an unobstructed road near to me that is 30 until it reaches a school then it becomes 40 until it passes the school where it drops back to 30. Seems a bit odd if exceeding 30 is such dreadful thing to do.

Presumably motor bikes don't have to worry about forward facing speed guns? I notice one bike I see regularly has the number plate angled almost parallel to the road.

have you been offered a course?

Don't assume detectors are one-way. Doppler works in both directions.

If you were a motorcycle speeding when you saw the camera, you then braked and passed the camera within the limit by the time your reg had been recorded would you still get a brown envelope?

On another train of thought I was thinking how lawless my local roads are, quads with incredibly load exhausts, frequent loud dump valves on oversize exhaust equipped clapped out German cars usually with the front plate on the dash. Traffic lights at the top of my road are simply ignored. One neighbour has an obviously illegal exhaust on his large bike as I can track his bike from the noise although sometimes I confuse this with other equally loud bikes. Another neighbour has allowed her car to spu oil for years (rear main bearing I reckon).

The town is notorious for drugs etc etc but otherwise law abiding citizens dare do 35 in a 30 limit and you can look forward to being penalised.