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Over here, ..... - Andrew-T

It seems that another American has come to grief near the RAF Croughton base in Northants, luckily this time only hitting a wall, not another vehicle. Does anyone know whether the American occupants of the base drive on the right, so that they can exercise their accustomed Jeep habits ? If so, it's hardly surprising that some forget after going off limits ?

Over here, ..... - 72 dudes

I wouldn't have thought they drive on the right on their bases.

But with a country whose president thinks you can inject yourself with disinfectant to kill coronavirus, who can tell how dumb the rest of the populus are.

Over here, ..... - badbusdriver

But with a country whose president thinks you can inject yourself with disinfectant to kill coronavirus, who can tell how dumb the rest of the populus are.

Well they did elect said president..........

Over here, ..... - focussed

Inside the US bases they drive on the right - it's complete little america as soon as you get inside the gates.

Over here, ..... - Andrew-T

Inside the US bases they drive on the right - it's complete little america as soon as you get inside the gates.

That being the case, it's a totally stupid and feckless idea. Guaranteed to lead to forgetfulness sooner (probably) or later. I wonder where and how they swop sides.

Over here, ..... - focussed

Inside the US bases they drive on the right - it's complete little america as soon as you get inside the gates.

That being the case, it's a totally stupid and feckless idea. Guaranteed to lead to forgetfulness sooner (probably) or later. I wonder where and how they swop sides.

I have the same situation living in France and occasionally visiting the UK.

The way I do it is by when driving or riding off the ferry to land in the UK is I always drive down the ramp on the left side which seems to reset my personal "settings". And the right hand side of the ramp when returning to France. Works for me!

Over here, ..... - RichT54

Are you sure they drive on the right on base?

Looking on Google maps, when I zoom in on the road markings inside the base, it looks they are set for driving on the left?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Raf+Croughton,+Brackley/@51.9914962,

-1.187139,224m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4876dfbe0c8043c3:

0xb22066f3b9d512f2!8m2!3d51.9957627!4d-1.1896399?hl=en

Edited by Avant on 24/04/2020 at 23:39

Over here, ..... - HGV ~ P Valentine

All the road markings on the road itself are on the left ... not right. So the pictures show it is the same as uk roads.

Edited by A Driver since 1988, HGV 2006 on 25/04/2020 at 15:35

Over here, ..... - Zippy123

Inside the US bases they drive on the right - it's complete little america as soon as you get inside the gates.

Having worked at several such sites I can confirm this was the case in the 80's at the bases I visited and had my first ever "burger" and ten pin bowling game at one.

They even brought their own cars over.

Edited by Zippy123 on 26/04/2020 at 01:36

Over here, ..... - SLO76
While they refuse to return those who commit death on our roads to face justice they should be perhaps be prevented from driving on our roads at all or maybe a huge bond should be paid to allow them to do so that the people they hurt or kill will at least know their families will be well tended to.
Over here, ..... - concrete

I worked in a couple of USAAF bases in the mid 80's. They use their own transport and some have their own cars imported and they drive on the right, as in the USA. It probably doesn't take much to drift onto the 'wrong' side of the road in a moment of forgetfulness. I am only surprised that there are not more 'accidents' like this. As an aside, one of the funniest message written on a toilet wall was in USAAF Alconbury. The dreaded Izal toilet paper curse was prevalent even for US troops. Above the dispenser some wag had written;

"This toilet paper is just like John Wayne- it don't take s*** from no-one"

Cheers Concrete

Over here, ..... - John F

We should have copied the Swedes and changed over in the 1960s - or earlier. Would have saved a lot of deaths. Apart from the American problem, there's a never-ending trickle of dozy young Brits coming to grief on the Costa Plenties and sozzled old Brits in rural France. We might even have developed a better car industry. There would certainly have been more choice of models. A visiting martian would be astonished by our human stupidity in not having an international agreement on which side to pass after over a century of driving vehicles capable of faster speeds than a horse.

Over here, ..... - Avant

I seem to remember that the Swedes always had LHD cars, so it was a bit easier for them to change over. It was talked about in the UK but the commonest argument ran on the lines of 'we've driven on the left for centuries and it was only Napoleon who changed it over, and Europe followed him'.

I've no idea if the bit about Napoleon is true or not.

Edit: Google is our friend....

Before the French Revolution, the aristocracy travelled on the left of the road, forcing the peasantry over to the right, but after the storming of the Bastille and the subsequent events, aristocrats preferred to keep a low profile and joined the peasants on the right. An official keep-right rule was introduced in Paris in 1794, more or less parallel to Denmark, where driving on the right had been made compulsory in 1793.

Later, Napoleon’s conquests spread the new 'rightism' to the Low Countries (Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg), Switzerland, Germany, Poland and many parts of Spain and Italy. The states that had resisted Napoleon kept left – Britain, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Portugal. This European division, between the left- and right-hand nations would remain fixed for more than 100 years, until after the First World War.

Edited by Avant on 25/04/2020 at 11:50

Over here, ..... - Andrew-T

I've no idea if the bit about Napoleon is true or not.

The old explanation was that (a) most people were right-handed and defended themselves with a right-handed weapon; (b) therefore you rode on the left side so as to be able to lash out more effectively if needed. I don't know whether lefties therefore had an advantage, as in tennis.

As for Napoleon decreeing a change, I suppose that is possible, but it may have been some other conquering autocrat. The consequence of the Napoleonic wars in Iberia was that railways there were deliberately built with a wider gauge than in France, to make invasion by train more difficult. Modern Spanish TGVs run on a whole new set of trackwork.

Interestingly, British canal-boat traffic passes on the right - don't know why unless it's the rule of the sea.

Edited by Andrew-T on 25/04/2020 at 11:58

Over here, ..... - galileo

I've no idea if the bit about Napoleon is true or not.

The old explanation was that (a) most people were right-handed and defended themselves with a right-handed weapon; (b) therefore you rode on the left side so as to be able to lash out more effectively if needed. I don't know whether lefties therefore had an advantage, as in tennis.

As for Napoleon decreeing a change, I suppose that is possible, but it may have been some other conquering autocrat. The consequence of the Napoleonic wars in Iberia was that railways there were deliberately built with a wider gauge than in France, to make invasion by train more difficult. Modern Spanish TGVs run on a whole new set of trackwork.

Interestingly, British canal-boat traffic passes on the right - don't know why unless it's the rule of the sea.

The rule of the sea is to pass oncoming vessels 'port to port'

Overtaking vessels give one blast on the horn to signal they will pass on the right or two blasts if intending to pass on the left, the vessel being overtaken should respond with the same signals to show understanding.

Google will find a surprisingly long list of countries that drive on the left, Australia, Japan, South Africa and India, to name just four.

Over here, ..... - jc2

I can remember being driven on a US airbase(Sculthorpe in Norfolk) in the early 1960's-on the left but we were in a UK vehicle!

Over here, ..... - John F

The rule of the sea is to pass oncoming vessels 'port to port'

A bit ambiguous. I presume you mean portside of your boat facing the portside of the oncoming boat, not steering portwards.

We could do with a similar understood convention for footpaths and cycleways. On the continent everyone seems to know to keep right and in this country it should be keep left, as on the roads. But I often have to avoid head-on collisions at the last minute when I steadfastly keep left, usually muttering loudly as I go by - 'in this country it is customary pass on the left'. Harrumph.

Over here, ..... - ExA35Owner

Green to green or red to red, perfect safety go ahead

When both lights you see ahead, starboard helm and show your red

On changing from left to right - there's an apocryphal story of the Nigerian change, where the ministry of transport announced that the change would take place gradually.

Over here, ..... - Andrew-T

On changing from left to right - there's an apocryphal story of the Nigerian change, where the ministry of transport announced that the change would take place gradually.

I remember hearing that the Irish had planned an experiment while the buses drove on the right ....

Over here, ..... - Zippy123

I worked in a couple of USAAF bases in the mid 80's.

PSA?

Over here, ..... - barney100

when in the army years ago I got a lift with a bloke just returned from Germany, straight out the base gate and proceeded on the wrong side of the road. His face was a picture when I screamed in terror.