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Changes afoot.... - johnnyrev

Spotted this in the ask hj section:

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/143431/is-premium-petrol-worth-the-extra-

Seems to be the opposite of what hj has been telling us for years!

Changes afoot.... - Andrew-T

I like the idea of putting in 10 litres of V-power every so often, for the extra additives to do a bit of work. Haven't noticed any difference with petrol, but a small but immediate 'smoothing' effect with diesel. Don't expect any reduced consumpton though.

Changes afoot.... - johnnyrev

I use super unleaded in both cars, I’m getting 3 weeks to the gallon at the moment.

Changes afoot.... - Big John

Under the current lockdown I'm doing about 6 miles a week - and that's to deliver food to my mum - and that's spread over two cars!

I usually use higher octane fuel as the engine in my Superb II 1.4tsi seems to run better on it - when I first got the car I used Spritmonitor to check the mpg and running on higher octane fuel didn't really make any difference on fuel consumption.

Changes afoot.... - Andrew-T

I use super unleaded in both cars, I’m getting 3 weeks to the gallon at the moment.

I guess most of us are managing about that. But unless your cars are pretty special or very fussy, I think you should save the 10p (or more) per litre premium and use regular fuel.

As an afterthought, t seems no-one at HJ has switched their clock to BST yet ..... :-)

Edited by Andrew-T on 05/04/2020 at 09:24

Changes afoot.... - snufflegrunt

When I look at the price of filling up with V-power Nitro + or whatever they call it these days, £7-9 extra depending on tank size, I think you are better buying your own additive for £2 or less per tank. e.g. You can buy pure 2-EHN (2ethyl-hexyl-nitrate) on ebay for a great price.

I find ASDA diesel noisier but the ESSO around here is the same price so I switched to that in October and get loads of bonus Nectar points with the app.

Edited by snufflegrunt on 05/04/2020 at 09:29

Changes afoot.... - Mr D Og

When I look at the price of filling up with V-power Nitro + or whatever they call it these days, £7-9 extra depending on tank size, I think you are better buying your own additive for £2 or less per tank. e.g. You can buy pure 2-EHN (2ethyl-hexyl-nitrate) on ebay for a great price.

I find ASDA diesel noisier but the ESSO around here is the same price so I switched to that in October and get loads of bonus Nectar points with the app.

The following is an extract from the Manufacturer's manual for my 2019 Skoda Superb:

"CAUTION

Petrol additives (additives)

The unleaded petrol in accordance with the prescribed standards meets all
the conditions for a smooth running engine. Therefore, we recommend that
you do not add any fuel additives to the petrol - there is a risk of engine damage
or damage to the exhaust system."

I prefer to take this advice rather than that of the anecdotal "evidence" offered by others, particularly as it might affect a warranty claim.

Changes afoot.... - Old.Roverboy

Changes afoot...

Yes, we are in full reflective mode, while trying to get a refund out of BA for cancelled flights, but that is another story...

Do we need all those euro breaks, flying or driving and if driving doing the supermarket sweep at Auchan Calais or Dunkirk on the way back. Pretty disappointed with the food in France nowadays eating out, Belgium our only real like..

Do we really need to get up and get to Stansted and queue and have nowhere to sit unless we eat airport food or drinks, or shop? and the same for the return flights.

This is going to hurt the tourism economy, but this is what it has come to.

So I am not yet worried about the cost of the small amount of fuel i will be using.

Stay safe all.

Eight days indoor so far, only another 35 to go for me.

Changes afoot.... - bathtub tom

I stopped flying a couple of years ago. It scares the wife and I hate the airport experience where it seems everyone's trying to rip you off, from car parking to inside the terminal. Being treated as 'freight, self loading' caps it.

Changes afoot.... - sandy56

We have abandoned the big airports and now will only fly if we can go from our local airport. Makes a lot of sense, very small queues, plenty of room for a coffee break and short flights. It is the way to go for simple sunshine holidays.

Changes afoot.... - Andrew-T

This is going to hurt the tourism economy, but this is what it has come to..

The effect of this lockdown serves to illustrate how much of what used to be our 'normal' economy is non-essential - i.e. based on entertaining one another just to keep money circulating. I am reminded of the LP the Goons issued for the 1964 election, which contained a line from a Labour candidate: When Labour is in power money will circulate at high speed - how much will all that cost? - 80 million pounds. Which was the answer to every question posed, of course.

Changes afoot.... - Engineer Andy

Spotted this in the ask hj section:

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/143431/is-premium-petrol-worth-the-extra-

Seems to be the opposite of what hj has been telling us for years!

I suspect some of it is 'personal opinion', but it seems to depend very much on:

1. What car you have (i.e. how much extra power or mpg you can get);

2. How old the car is and what condition it is in - clogged injectors will certainly be helped by superfuels, but the branded ones (i.e. not supermarkets) are much better as they mostly contain more cleaning agents than supermarket super fuels, and quite a bit more than standard fuel.

That being said, none of them are better than a dose of quality injector cleaner put in each tank of fuel for a few fill-ups, and they are much cheaper;

3. How you use the car. If it is used for lots of short trips from cold (or historicall was before you recently bought it), especially wrt modern diesels, then again superfuels, especially the branded ones, will be of far more benefit to keep the engine and exhaust system the least clogged up.

Some cars may benefit from having a dose of (expensive, but worithwhile) CAT cleaner additive. Normally cars with that problem will also have DPF and possibly EGR issues if they are fitted with one, because they are related to how they are used.

4. The cost-benefit difference. Those with the above situations may benefit more, because parts may fail or require cleaning at the dealership, costing vastly more than the normal 5-8p price difference at supermarkets or 10-20p a litre difference at the branded filling stations.

I believe at the moment, the price difference between standard and superfuels is higher than usual not just in percentage terms, because of the fallout of COVID-19 and the price war between Russia and the Saudis.

For ordinary cars used (even infrequently) for mainly runs over 10 miles that get the vehicle fully warmed up and that are well-maintained, superfuels are a waste of time, and money in my view. At most, treat them to 2-4 doses of injector cleaner over a year or so. In normal times, you can buy the quality stuff at Halfords etc when on offer for about £3 - £5 (normal price 50-100% more).

If the lockdown carries on for many months, I might buy a fuel stabiliser bottle, just in case my car has to sit around for a very long time. I'm estimating at present going through a tankful of fuel every 3 months or so. If I recall, petrol starts to degrade after 6.

I'd be more worried about the brake seizing up, tyres flat-spotting and battery going kaput (especially as I have no way of trickle charging it, living in a flat). Best to find a creative (but safe) way of using the car once every week or two (temperature dependent) for long enough a trip to keep it all in roadworthy condition.

Changes afoot.... - ralph278

I'd be more worried about the brake seizing up, tyres flat-spotting and battery going kaput (especially as I have no way of trickle charging it, living in a flat). Best to find a creative (but safe) way of using the car once every week or two (temperature dependent) for long enough a trip to keep it all in roadworthy condition.

How about a solar panel thing placed under your windscreen which trickle charges the battery - or would you worry that it might tempt someone to break in to the car?

Changes afoot.... - Andrew-T

<< How about a solar panel thing placed under your windscreen which trickle charges the battery - or would you worry that it might tempt someone to break in to the car? >>

A small number of us still keep a car in a garage or carport, or under a tree. Not sure how effective a panel is behind glass?

Changes afoot.... - Engineer Andy

<< How about a solar panel thing placed under your windscreen which trickle charges the battery - or would you worry that it might tempt someone to break in to the car? >>

A small number of us still keep a car in a garage or carport, or under a tree. Not sure how effective a panel is behind glass?

Indeed - whilst mine is outside, it has to be parked in its allocated space, which is shaded apart from about half an hour in late morning and from 3 in the afternoon. Whether that would provide anough sun via a PV panel to keep the battery charged, I don't know, but it certainly would make it a tempting target for thieves.

Besides, the brake would be seized up if it isn't used. Once a fortnight isn't exactly a lot, especially when compared to many of my neighbours who are still using theirs once or even twice a day.

Changes afoot.... - Heidfirst

Spotted this in the ask hj section:

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/143431/is-premium-petrol-worth-the-extra-

Seems to be the opposite of what hj has been telling us for years!

I think that this is a reflection of a change of views from those espoused by the "old management" (HJ) to those of the new (heycar). Probably more to come I would imagine.

Changes afoot.... - thunderbird

Spotted this in the ask hj section:

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/143431/is-premium-petrol-worth-the-extra-

Seems to be the opposite of what hj has been telling us for years!

About time too. HJ's constant insistence that we should all be using V Power was a total abuse of his position as a figure head of a "trusted" website. At best he was misguided, at worst he was being paid to advise forum members to use it and not declaring that fact.

Hopefully the new owners will continue with this more genuine and sensible path.

Changes afoot.... - Mr D Og

Spotted this in the ask hj section:

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/143431/is-premium-petrol-worth-the-extra-

Seems to be the opposite of what hj has been telling us for years!

About time too. HJ's constant insistence that we should all be using V Power was a total abuse of his position as a figure head of a "trusted" website. At best he was misguided, at worst he was being paid to advise forum members to use it and not declaring that fact.

Hopefully the new owners will continue with this more genuine and sensible path.

This is an extract from the Esso website that seems to back up HJ's recommendation to use premium rather than regular petrol:

What is the difference between regular and premium petrol?

As well as having a higher octane (which helps to reduce knocking-related performance losses in modern cars), our Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded fuel has extra additives which can benefit all petrol cars, even older ones. Making it our best ever protection for your engine.

Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded fuel has double the amount of detergent additive compared to our regular petrol, which helps give your engine a deeper clean. The cleaner your engine, the better it can perform and the more fuel efficient it is.

Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded fuel also contains molecules that help to reduce friction and prevent wear and tear in your engine.

If it's good enough for HJ it's good enough for me!

Changes afoot.... - Hugh Watt

I wonder what the new corporate position is on left-foot braking?...

Seriously though, I'd much rather read HJ's occasionally cranky but robustly knowledgeable responses rather than the unobjectionable plain-vanilla ones currently being served up.

Changes afoot.... - thunderbird

I wonder what the new corporate position is on left-foot braking?...

Hopefully they will advise what all sensible people advise and tell you that the left foot is only for the clutch, in an automatic simply do not use it.

You can guarantee that every accident with an auto with an oldie at the wheel is caused by the driver pressing their right foot down at the same time as their left. Carnage is 100% certain. A good few years ago a near neighbour did exactly that when reversing his car into his garage. Nearly killed his wife who was on the back garden, the back of the garage was totally taken out.

And who had advised him to left foot brake, yup, it was his son, a well known local driving god with many broken limbs and a missing eye from his motorcycling days.

Changes afoot.... - paul 1963

Wonder if the sales of cross climates will take a nose dive now? :)

Changes afoot.... - Jamesetyefirst

That’s a tad harsh! I think Cross Climates are brilliant. They proved their worth to me a couple of years ago , when we had the so called beast from the east.

Changes afoot.... - focussed

I wonder what the new corporate position is on left-foot braking?...

Hopefully they will advise what all sensible people advise and tell you that the left foot is only for the clutch, in an automatic simply do not use it.

You can guarantee that every accident with an auto with an oldie at the wheel is caused by the driver pressing their right foot down at the same time as their left. Carnage is 100% certain. A good few years ago a near neighbour did exactly that when reversing his car into his garage. Nearly killed his wife who was on the back garden, the back of the garage was totally taken out.

And who had advised him to left foot brake, yup, it was his son, a well known local driving god with many broken limbs and a missing eye from his motorcycling days.

Who are these "sensible people" who advise that the left foot should never be used when driving an automatic?

Changes afoot.... - Andrew-T

<< Who are these "sensible people" who advise that the left foot should never be used when driving an automatic? >>

Those who agree with the poster, of course .... :-)

Changes afoot.... - John Boy

Slow Eddie said "... Seriously though, I'd much rather read HJ's occasionally cranky but robustly knowledgeable responses rather than the unobjectionable plain-vanilla ones currently being served up."

I agree completely with that. I'm very sad that HJ has gone. This site is packed with information and I've learnt so much from it. He provided a public service and it's a shame that not enough of the public seem to have taken advantage of it.

I posted a link to his review of the Peugeot Rifter to one of my daughters (not one of those wives he referred to, dictating car choice to their husbands). Her reaction was "He doesn't mince his words, does he?" No, he doesn't and why should he? Bland, middle-of-the-road opinion is little use to anyone.

Changes afoot.... - Sulphur Man

Having run my 08-reg Renault Koleos 2.0dci on cetane-improved V-power since 2017, with regular, delberate spells of running on supermarket diesel - Tesco, Morrisons - I am absolutely convinced of the merits of V-Power. In my particular car. Smooter running, smoother more convincing torque. Approx. 5% better economy.

I'm being utterly objective. I dont want to spend money I dont have to. But the engine is crisper and more economical on V-Power. Couple in the Shell Go discounts, and the reliability I've enjoyed so far, and its a no brainer.

But the advantages of super fuels is certainly car sensitive, so one should experiment and see.

Edited by Sulphur Man on 06/04/2020 at 12:16

Changes afoot.... - Avant

Interesting - thank you for that, Sulphur Man. We get plenty of comments - as you say, car-dependent - on whether super unleaded petrol is worth it, but not so often about super diesel.

Absolutely - experiment and see.

Changes afoot.... - Sulphur Man

Thanks. A key test against my evidence would be if other owners of cars with the same2.0dci M9R Nissan/Renault alliance engine have similar experiences. X-Trail, Qashqai (gen 1), New Koleos.

The M9R chain-cam diesel is an underrated engine. If used as a diesel should be, it seems a strong reliable lump.