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Fri 3 Apr 2020 12:16
Any - Pavements - HGV ~ P Valentine

Rule 145, pg47,.

States you MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property.

Rule 244. Pg 82 states

You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on a pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere Unless signs permit it.

The above was taken word for word from the latest highway code book, and yes I did say book and not from an online site, lol, some of us still look at the latest book now and again.

AAAAAnyway my question is this, I heard that they are going to make parking on the pavement Illegal, so how is that any different from the current regulations ?

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Fri 3 Apr 2020 14:17
Any - Pavements - Cris_on_the_gas

Easy by, replacing "should not" with "must not".

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Fri 3 Apr 2020 14:59
Any - Pavements - Bromptonaut

Rule 244 is MUST only in London. In rest of UK it only has force of should, unless there is a specific prohibition.

The proposed change will extend must to R of UK. In both cases there is an exception where signs permit parking on the pavement.

Rule 145 seems only to apply if you're actually driving on the pavement (etc). The fact you're parked there and could only have achieved that place by driving on the pavement (etc) is apparently not enough.

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Fri 3 Apr 2020 20:04
Any - Pavements - bathtub tom

I know someone who (back in the '60s) received a fine for "mounting the pavement".

I suspect they failed the attitude test.

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Fri 3 Apr 2020 23:50
Any - Pavements - Heidfirst

AAAAAnyway my question is this, I heard that they are going to make parking on the pavement Illegal, so how is that any different from the current regulations ?

The Highway Code is not law.

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Sat 4 Apr 2020 13:52
Any - Pavements - Middleman

The Highway Code is not law.

No it sure isn't. However, where the HC states "Must/Must Not" it always provides a reference to the law that supports that instruction. In the case of rule 244 (saying you must not park on pavements in London) the relevant legislation is the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act, 1975, Section 15 which you can find here:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1974/24/section/15

Edited by Middleman on 04/04/2020 at 13:53

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Sat 4 Apr 2020 17:43
Any - Pavements - Heidfirst

Well, I didn't think that I had to spell it out but ...

The op asked how incoming legislation would differ from the existing & the answer is that the incoming legislation will potentially (subject to exemptions) affect all of the country as opposed to the 0.0065% of UK land mass that is Greater London & which is already affected by current legislation.

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Sat 4 Apr 2020 21:32
Any - Pavements - Brit_in_Germany

Pavement parking will be illegal in Scotland from 2021.

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Sun 5 Apr 2020 14:39
Any - Pavements - Heidfirst

Pavement parking will be illegal in Scotland from 2021.

subject to exemptions

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Sun 5 Apr 2020 09:50
Any - Pavements - Bromptonaut

The op asked how incoming legislation would differ from the existing & the answer is that the incoming legislation will potentially (subject to exemptions) affect all of the country as opposed to the 0.0065% of UK land mass that is Greater London & which is already affected by current legislation.

I cannot see the relevance of land mass. The proper measure surely is the 12% or so of the population who live in the 32 Boroughs.

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Sun 5 Apr 2020 14:40
Any - Pavements - Heidfirst

I cannot see the relevance of land mass. The proper measure surely is the 12% or so of the population who live in the 32 Boroughs.

Not imo. Parking restrictions aren't applied by population volume, they are applied to geographically defined areas.

However, I really used the figure to show just how little (less than 1/150th) of the country was covered by existing legislation that made it illegal there currently.

Edited by Heidfirst on 05/04/2020 at 14:46

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Sun 5 Apr 2020 11:46
Any - Pavements - HGV ~ P Valentine

The highway code is in 2 parts.

1 . Advisory capacity

2 . Law : Where it states you must or must not, that is law and contrivention means either points, a fine, prison or any combination of these 3.

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But yes I think that is right it is only law in London and will become law in the rest of the country. It never occured to me that London would be different from the rest of the uk.

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https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/legal/parking-on-the-pavement/

Edited by A Driver since 1988, HGV 2006 on 05/04/2020 at 11:50

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Sun 5 Apr 2020 14:20
Any - Pavements - Engineer Andy

As much as I would like this to go ahead so pedestrians can have their pavements back, unless and until viable alternative parking for people's vehicles can be found (unlikely in the short to medium term), this is a non-starter.

All parking fully in the road will do is prevent wider vehicles such as refuse lorries, other HGVs and the emergency services get through, especially on many narrower inner city roads, which were never designed for them, or new developments, where the planning system somehow allowed this.

We did really discuss this on another thread on the General forum area.

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