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hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - blindspot

I' ve a leaking rear oil seal. I can see it on the torq converter and it drips out of the hole at bottom of bell housing. . this is after replacement . I lubricated as told by Haynes manual .

its ten years old 97,000. what to do next ?

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - focussed

Sorry for you! I've done dozens of rear crankshaft seals, not my favourite job by a long way.

Why was it leaking before replacement? A huge list of possibilities - usual answer? Don't know!

Why is it leaking after replacement? If it's the usual rear seal assembly the difficulty is getting the seal out without damaging the land on the crank or the recess the seal is fitted into.

To remove,I used to (very) carefully drill a 3 mm hole into the flat face of the seal through the rubber into the steel reinforcement and then screw a slide hammer dent puller into the hole and pull the seal out with that. Then clean the recess and the land and make sure the land on the crank has no scratches or marks on it. If you levered the seal out some other way, you may have damaged the crankshaft land or the recess. Damaging the crankshaft surface that the seal runs on will cause it to fail shortly afterwards.

Then when fitting the new seal, lubricate as you said, and I always used to use a thin smear of sealant on the outside diameter, not silicone, I used Permatex hi-tack, simply because we used to stock it for re-sale. it used to be a brown quick drying gasket sealant.

And then make sure the seal is fitted level with the housing or right back in the recess depending what sort of housing it is.

Sorry to go on a bit but that's about the size of it!

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - JoeB

I am no expert on cars but assuming you replaced it correctly without damaging it then it could be that the area on the crankshaft where it seals against has worn down. If that is the case and then you could (1) live with it and put a drip tray under or (2) use an additive that causes the seal to swell a bit (Stop Leak or something). Valvoline also sell and oil (MaxLife) for high mileage cars which claims to 'condition seals' to stop leaks.

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - Chris M

If there is a wear groove on the crank, the answer is to not fully push the replacement seal home. Easy to say after the event of course.

Edited by Chris M on 26/02/2020 at 16:24

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - focussed

Yup - good stuff, it depends on what sort of seal housing there is on an i10 1.2 auto.

If it's a plain parallel bore, easy to move the seal back or forward to an unworn part of the crankshaft flange, if it's a recessed bore, not so easy.

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - edlithgow

Slight variation on the above extraction method (this on a 2-stroke motorcycle, so much better access)

Drill 4 holes equally spaced around the seal periphery, self tappers in, wire the self-tappers to the ring of a ring-spanner, and use a gear puller on the ring. Spreads the load and gives a straight pull.

You use what you have.

Need to drill and screw carefully to avoid damage.

My difficulty is with driving the seal in straight. Tends to tilt in the bore and bind.

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - blindspot

I tried barrs stop leak to start with but it made vary little difference.

I did all the right things taking it out.

getting in not so easy as i'am working underneath on the floor. carefully taped it fully home.

it drips rather than seeps .

not sure I could do it much better next time.

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - focussed

We as a small company in the 90's experienced a series of seal failures on new engines, doing warranty work on behalf of a major manufacturer. We repeatedly replaced manufacturer's standard seals that as you say seeped oil, just enough for the customer to complain. Using all the correct special tools, which gave the correct fitting dimensions.

The only modification we could think of to improve the outcome (and our reputation) was to shorten the tension spring slightly to put a little more radial tension on the seal lip.

The spring is a bit like a piece of curtain wire in miniature, you take it out of the seal, find where the join is and unscrew the pointed end from the open end., then cut off about 6 mm from the open end and screw it back together. This was on an approx 5 inch diameter seal. Then fit the wire back into the seal and then fit the seal. It worked. Why? Nobody ever really got to the bottom of it, faulty batch of seals? Don't know, the manufacturer didn't know, but they kept paying our warranty labour to sort it out!

If you want to try this, experiment on the spring from the seal you removed first, to get the hang of it. Use a sharp pair of side cutters to cut the spring.

Edited by focussed on 27/02/2020 at 21:51

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - blindspot

I see what your saying.

my next step is to try lucas stop leak [ not over hopeful]

iwish I had used the Permatex and used the next seal in the series . the new part number now ends in 1 not 0 and maybe a special tool

not looking forward to doing it over again without some guarantee,

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - blindspot

read up that high oil pressure would cause leaks

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - focussed

read up that high oil pressure would cause leaks

On a rear crank seal? How?

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - blindspot

pcv pressure control valve. if pressure to high due to breather blockage oil trys to get out at weakest point

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - focussed

Errm - just a reminder, a positive crankcase ventilation system is not related or connected to engine lube oil pressure is it?

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - JoeB

Errm - just a reminder, a positive crankcase ventilation system is not related or connected to engine lube oil pressure is it?

He's right though isn't he. If the engine has quite high miles then there could be some blowby into the crancase which would push out oil if the PCV system is not working properly. I understand that the PCV system should cause a slight vacuum in the crankcase and this help stop oil get out past seals. Correct or not?

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - focussed

The type of seal used for the rear crank seal has the seal lips facing inwards towards the block - the more pressure in the crankcase, the more the seal lips press on the crankshaft, so, unlikely in my experience.

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - blindspot

could you please clarify to me swirl type left hand twist

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - focussed

With a conventional turning engine it would be fitted to the flywheel end of the crank.

By conventional turning I mean clockwise looking at timing end of crankshaft.

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - blindspot

thank you. bought a new seal today from main dealer £32. the part number is one digit more than the one i put in. could have been laying around a long time getting brittle. but it seemed ok to me

the one i took out wasn't obviously broken. i shall get some sealant for outer edge.

i found out how to shorten spring ,but it worries me to try and shorten its radius

hyundia i10 - leaking rear main oil seal - blindspot

the bore is recessed was thinking to get it level with outer as opposed to fully home. if it happens to be level then