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well done Dacia - daveyK_UK

Factory fitted LPG models throughout the range

www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/dacia-to-sell-lpg-cars...5

well done Dacia - gordonbennet

@ £400 above the price for the conversion of an already cheap economical car, and LPG @ 56ppl to be found away from main road sites, so long as they allow full warranty on the system including on extended warranty Dacia have just chucked a live grenade into the new car market.

well done Dacia - daveyK_UK

I agree

This could push me into a Logan MCV estate instead of a Focus estate; those running costs will be spectacular compared to any other estate (no electric estates available).

well done Dacia - SLO76

I agree

This could push me into a Logan MCV estate instead of a Focus estate; those running costs will be spectacular compared to any other estate (no electric estates available).

Bit of a Dacia fan myself, I love the simplicity and value, especially the Logan. It’s essence of motoring, all you need and nothing more. I do think they’re missing a trick by not selling anything in the U.K. that would make a decent taxi. A more basic big hatch or estate based on the last Laguna with the tried and trusted 1500 diesel and less in the way of gadgetry would be popular on the ranks if sold cheaply enough.

well done Dacia - paul 1963

Wow! that's interesting, got a garage with a lpg pump 2 miles away from me..

well done Dacia - Bromptonaut

Bit counter to current trends in UK?

I've seen complaints from both LPG drivers and caravan owners using refillable LPG cylinders complaining about it disappearing from forecourts.

well done Dacia - gordonbennet

I'd be interested to see under the bonnet of one of these, most maker fitted LPG systems didn't come with a flashlube system and some (Subaru Mitsi, not sure about Volvo) engines suffered valve seat recession as a predictable result, and that's assuming that those which were fitted the owner remembered to top up once every 6 months or so, no more difficult than topping up a washer bottle.

Being made in a part of europe where LPG systems are very common, one would hope Dacia have included one in their chosen lpg system (or valves and seats are able to cope with the unlubed heat of propane), a simple vacuum fed flashlube system would cost probably under £20 the amount they buy, its literally a bottle and a screen washer bore piped with adjuster screw piped straight into the inlet manifold) so i hope they arn't potentially spoiling the ship for a h'aporth of tar.

Other better flashlube systems are available, an expensive pressurised one is on our Forester due to the engine design not being compatible with simple vacuum feed, which is fine for normal inline engines.

Edited by gordonbennet on 08/02/2020 at 09:06

well done Dacia - thunderbird

Bit of a Dacia fan myself, I love the simplicity and value, especially the Logan. It’s essence of motoring, all you need and nothing more.

We looked at the Logan MCV 2 years ago when we were swapping the 2008 Focus 1.8, on paper it looked ideal.

Big boot but the space inside was inferior to the Focus hatch. Easy to see why, its a Sandero with a piece stuck on the back and the Sandero is based on an old Clio. At the price it was OK but not for us.

As for engines it is probably better with the diesel but with the 900cc petrol it was totally pointless.

The trim was pretty dreadful as well even in the top of the line ones.

Look at more mainstream models and you can get much better for not much more even when buying new. We got a brand new (not pre-reg) 1600 DIG-T Pulsar for £12000 inc 3 years servicing. Way bigger inside, way better materials, way better engine.

Reminded me to some extent of the Moschivitch and Skodas sold in the 60's that looked so appealing to my dad until he looked at one. Dacias are obviously way better than that tat but as always you only get what you pay for.

I would suggest that buyers need to study them carefully before buying.

well done Dacia - SLO76
I’d probably steer away from buying one new despite the prices being pretty sensible on more basic models compared to rivals as you can get a better used car for around the new cost. I’d rather have a Honda Civic Eatate. But as a used option they make real sense. There’s one near me a 14 plate 1.2 with 45k up and a full history for £3,700 in excellent condition. It’s hard to think of a better value small family workhorse and the older gen 1.2 Renault motor is perfectly fit to hit 100k or more if looked after.

I certainly wouldn’t recommend paying the guts of £15k for the top end Stepway models. It’ll end up costing substantially more than a good used Jap hatchback or estate thanks to heavy depreciation and Dacia need to be careful here that they don’t make the same mistake other budget brands have done by getting too greedy. Think of Proton who were on a roll in the mid 90’s then are no more today. If someone buys a new Logan Stepway at say £15k they’ll be horrified when they’re offered £4.5-£5k for it in three years time and a customer will be lost. Keep prices keen and customers sweet.

Edited by SLO76 on 08/02/2020 at 16:15

well done Dacia - gordonbennet

It's the option of manufacturer backed LPG for a paltry £400 extra that's going to get people thinking, giving you fuelling costs of a Yaris hybrid for what less that half the cost new and probably 1/4 the cost used?

I can see the possibility of a used LPG Logan finding its way into our ownership when i retire.

Edited by gordonbennet on 08/02/2020 at 16:23

well done Dacia - sajid

Wait till the govt jack the tax rates on lpg

well done Dacia - sajid

Incidently slo i just had my car clutch and flywheel changed on my civic 2.2 deisel, a car that been reliable and just having wear and tear items needed replaced.

I have owned the car for 6 years now and its been a pleasurable driving machine.

There a post about how long cars should last my car is 11 years old i guess that there be future big expenses occuring.

well done Dacia - SLO76

Incidently slo i just had my car clutch and flywheel changed on my civic 2.2 deisel, a car that been reliable and just having wear and tear items needed replaced.

I have owned the car for 6 years now and its been a pleasurable driving machine.

There a post about how long cars should last my car is 11 years old i guess that there be future big expenses occuring.

Not necessarily. The biggest weakness on these is the clutch and it’s just been replaced. It’s a good combination of practical space, economy and plentiful power. Keep it.

Edited by SLO76 on 08/02/2020 at 19:10

well done Dacia - KB.

The link, above, doesn't work for me but I found other articles that mention it,.

There's a site ...fillLPG that didn't seem to want to play the game - and even when it did try to show me a map it struck me that there are large parts of the country where filling stations are few and far between.

There's a different site - my lpg.eu or similar. I lost patience trying to get a simple map of filling stations on that too.

If the future is LPG shaped then it's the first I knew of it. I thought we all had to go electric.

To be honest, at my age I'm not sure I can be bothered to worry about running out of gas or electric at midnight and having to be concerned I might get stranded if wanting to go on an unexpected journey without planning for filling stations or charging points that work and have the right connector and aren't queuing for two hours to connect.

Will the AA or RAC bring me a hunded miles to get home if I can't find any LPG or electricity? Perhaps they will, but I don't think I have the enthusiasm to worry about it now.

Edited by KB. on 08/02/2020 at 21:27

well done Dacia - SLO76
No need to fear, an LPG conversion runs on petrol too.
well done Dacia - Theophilus

Don't think of buying an LPG-fuelled car if you ever travel through the Channel tunnel - it's a big "No-No"

well done Dacia - gordonbennet

LPG is in an separate tank with independent injectors, you still keep the usual petrol system and fuel tank, in some purpose made aftermarket systems new smaller petrol tanks are installed so a larger LPG an be used, but i doubt this is the case with the Dacia as spare wheel well mounted tank is mentioned.

In almost all systems the car starts on petrol and changes over to gas at a pre set temperature, so you've gained probably 300 miles total range with both fuels combined.

To be fair LPG isn't for everyone and it never has been, lots of people don't want the hassle of having to plan where to get fuel if on a journey, understandable but in all the years i've run LPG vehicles i'm yet to actually physically run out of gas, and i do make use of filllpg website to find the cheapest sites on a route i'm not familiar with the stations, not paying 72ppl at some way overpriced BP/Shell site when a few miles away might be a Morrisons or indy @ 56.

Edited by gordonbennet on 08/02/2020 at 21:48

well done Dacia - KB.

Clearly just showing my ignorance about LPG equipped vehicles being able to run on petrol too ....sorry 'bout that. I learned something today.

As it happens the place I always fill up at (Trago Mills) is only down the road and apparently stocks LPG. And I would imagine there aren't the same queues for LPG that there are for petrol - it's always 10p cheaper than anywhere else locally - and it's Shell, which I'm happy about, and the Trago Mills store is always busy, all day every day ... which obviously accounts for much of the petrol trade.

I had a look on the map (which seems to work for me now) and I believe it was saying 62.9p per litre. (is that good?) I think that was correct at the end of December ... might not be that price now.

I shall withdraw my pessimism and keep an open mind.

Ta.

EDIT. Just seen that Morrisons at Teignmouth is 5.59

Edited by KB. on 09/02/2020 at 00:09

well done Dacia - gordonbennet

The LPG pump in Morrisons where i fill up gets regular use, i've never had to wait there for more than one vehicle at the pumps (one for either side filler), in the middle of Leicester there is a very busy indy site which was when i visited one of the cheapest sites in the country, that had several pumps and a constant flow of customers.

It will come as no surprise that some sites have closed down, the too expensive ones, and yes if you live in a remote area and only had one convenient supplier then you would have to think carefully, but if you look at the filllpg site you notice that lpg sites are quite common in areas where the average pay of working class jobs isn't so good.

Depending on the size of the spare wheel well they might be able to shoe horn a 52/55 lire toroidal tank in there, LPG tanks don't fill completely so real capacity would be maybe 45/47 litres which should give a 300 mile minimum range on LPG alone, depending on how the boot is used some individual systems have much larger tanks in the boot itself, up to 100 litres is common.

You get £10 a year reduction on VED because dual fuel, propane produces less emissions, and the warm glow inside when you fill up for about £24 is not to be sniffed at :-), note lpg fuel gauges are generally quite inaccurate but after a few fill ups you get used to zeroing the trip meter and using that as much as the gauge for when to refill, note also it can be quite scary releasing the filler nozzle the first time after filling, its under pressure so releases with a loud hiss.

The car isn't going to be a road rocket by any means, so is going to appeal to steady drivers who might otherwise be thinking of a small hybrid, but at half or maybe quarter (used) the outlay for similar genuine running costs, i don't suppose they're going to fly off the shelves though.

Edited by gordonbennet on 09/02/2020 at 07:44

well done Dacia - thunderbird

i doubt this is the case with the Dacia as spare wheel well mounted tank is mentioned.

Well that instantly rules it out for me if you cannot carry a spare without loosing bootspace (even if I wanted one).

Not just Dacia of course, even the mighty Toyota have made the boot of the new Corolla hatch smaller than many city cars because they have fitted the battery in the area that was formerly the spare wheel well and that rules that car out for us (not forgetting the stupid premium they charge).

But it seems some manufacturers are fitting the batteries under the passenger seat thus loosing no bootspace. Seems logical to me but possibly harder to engineer than simply sticking the battery in the boot.

well done Dacia - Heidfirst

even the mighty Toyota have made the boot of the new Corolla hatch smaller than many city cars because they have fitted the battery in the area that was formerly the spare wheel well and that rules that car out for us (not forgetting the stupid premium they charge).

Afaik that's only on the 2.0 hybrid as there wasn't space under the bonnet for the 12V battery with the 2.0 fitted.

I don't know why but Toyota seems to have a track record of making mid-size hatches with smaller boots than competitors (look back at Auris hatch & previous Corolla v their then competitors). Perhaps they reckon that if you want a bigger boot you'll buy the estate but I am sure that they lose some sales by having a miserly boot in the hatch.

well done Dacia - gordonbennet
I don't know why but Toyota seems to have a track record of making mid-size hatches with smaller boots than competitors (look back at Auris hatch & previous Corolla v their then competitors). Perhaps they reckon that if you want a bigger boot you'll buy the estate but I am sure that they lose some sales by having a miserly boot in the hatch.

Not just the hatchbacks, the present Forester would likely have been a Rav4 of similar year, 08, if the Toyota boot hadn't been utterly hopeless, Forester of that shape is a small car overall the but the boot is a large useful box shape.

well done Dacia - corax
Not just the hatchbacks, the present Forester would likely have been a Rav4 of similar year, 08, if the Toyota boot hadn't been utterly hopeless, Forester of that shape is a small car overall the but the boot is a large useful box shape.

Earlier Rav4 boot is small and that side opening tailgate is a pain, the later shape is vast in comparison. The Subaru boot isn't just a good shape, the rear opening is just about as big as they could make it, the same with Legacy's. Some cars have good space inside but rear access is small, with a thick metal margin around the opening.

well done Dacia - KB.

Moving away from the size of boots - would I be right in thinking that if I had a "bi-fuel" car and needed both petrol and LPG at the same time I would need to go to a petrol pump, fill up, go to the till, pay, then move the car to the LPG dispenser, fill up, go to the till, pay, then leave?

I can,t imagine being able to fill both tanks and pay for both lots of fuel in one go ... I guess it would, understandably, give the till operator the right 'ump.

well done Dacia - gordonbennet

I can,t imagine being able to fill both tanks and pay for both lots of fuel in one go ... I guess it would, understandably, give the till operator the right 'ump.

I have to put some petrol in maybe every 6 months, i sometimes run for a while on it to exercise the petrol system during normal running, lpg pump is right beside petrol pump, i connect up the lpg pipe and keep me left mitt on the pump plunger and operate the petrol pump at the same time with me other mitt, multi tasking isn't just for girls :-)

with lpg you connect the pipe to your vehicle and lock the filler open, then press a plunger on the pump to allow flow, when the system is full enough (don't ask me how it works) the flow stops, you release the plunger and disconnect from your car...i flick the release lever with my foot keeping hands and face away from the relatively small blast of propane vapour that escapes when that release lever flicks open.

Edited by gordonbennet on 09/02/2020 at 17:45

well done Dacia - thunderbird

Afaik that's only on the 2.0 hybrid as there wasn't space under the bonnet for the 12V battery with the 2.0 fitted.

Cannot coment on that since I have only shown a very limited interest in the 2 litre. The price put me off instantly before the spare (or lack of it) got in the way

well done Dacia - daveyK_UK
2 responses

1. I don’t think losing the wheel well to an LPG tank would be such a big deal in the Logan MCV; the boot is huge.

2. I agree about the Logan MCV interior space, it’s too cramped to be used as a taxi, the rear leg room is identical to the Sandero hatchback.
If Dacia did offer a vehicle with proper leg room or even better sold a right hand drive version of the Dokker or 7 seater Lodgy in the UK: the taxi trade would be very interested.
Lots of Lodgy taxis in Portugal, lots of Dokker taxis in Poland.
well done Dacia - thunderbird
1. I don’t think losing the wheel well to an LPG tank would be such a big deal in the Logan MCV; the boot is huge.

It probably would not be a problem for most buyers in even the smaller cars since they never consider the chance of a puncture and even if they do a call to the breakdown supposedly sorts it.

But considering my last call to the breakdown resulted in a 5 hour wait for the low loader it is an option I would never consider when a wheel, jack and brace would sort it in a few minutes.

PS I complained the following day and was sent a cheque for £120.

well done Dacia - daveyK_UK
I agree with you but do think I could compromise with the Logan MCV as the boot is so big
well done Dacia - KB.

GB - Ta for the explanation.

Next time I fill up I'll look to see if the two are adjacent. If they are then that's the answer to my question.

I'd imagined that the LPG was on it's own - but I can't tell you quite why I imagined that :-(